Rough cow dogs

[Judge peel]

Just wanting to hear if any one runs rough dogs on cattle and get some input on y'all's thoughts

[11kbramhall]

I run some cur dogs on cattle and have found that rough dogs are handy to have sometimes but most people don't want the cattle's ears tore up. Sure if one breaks they will put enough on them to talk them into comin bak to the herd but some catchy dogs will be on a ear when the cow gets bak and the owners usually ain't to faund of that!  Looser bayin dogs on cows that have seen dogs before are easier to use but hey that's jus my opinion

[jdt]

cattle , like hogs will not stay bayed if a dog/s gets too rough . i have some rougher than others but i match them up according to the size of the herd and rankness of the cattle .

    a dog that catches in the herd = a dead dog !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Judge peel]

Gotcha I have heard both ways just like on hogs I guess it boils down to what you need or to what you are doing. I have never ran dogs on cattle so I have no experience with it but I know guys that do and have heard different things was just looking for thoughts thanks fellas

[Pwilson_10]

What they both said judge but I hual a catchy dog for when a cow won't bay up or jumps fences bad but looser dogs is the way to go


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[jdt]

yeah if i just got one cow or bull that i'm having to rope a rough dog ain't so bad . still it's better to just keep her bayed till i can get a chance to catch her .

   every once in awhile i get into a situation where i'd like to have had a straight catch on the nose till death do they part type of dog      -    but not very often . 

[shadygrovehawgdawg]

I like and use a dog that can get rough but not an alligator unless I'm asking for it. If a dog can get rough it's easy to back them off, if they can't get that way and you need it you can't wish it on them. The number of cows, where they are, and if they have had dogs on them are all factors. Funny thing is all the, cows we gather are " gentle as a milk cow and normally, come right in ". Nobody thinks they have wild or mean cows  when I was younger it didn't get too rough or too wild. Funny how things change.

[shadygrovehawgdawg]

Meant to add to that also. There is a difference in gathering cows and going to "catch" cows. If you're gathering you probably don't need as rough a dog. When you're catching run offs you need them rough. I love a pretty rough ear marking dog when I'm catching cows, saves a lot of ropes and wear and tear on my horse. 

[hogdog05]

Where's the like button^^^^^^^^^
Here's a couple of videos from the other day.
First one they did nice. Not to much pressure and was able to get cows drove back where they came from.
http://s903.photobucket.com/user/hogdog05/media/20150117_095446_zps4arbauwd.mp4.html

This cow wanted to be hard headed, and she'd hunt you down. But she went back to the hole she came in with a little yella persuasion. 
This is probably too rough for most, and normally I'd like em to just keep bayed till I get there.
http://s903.photobucket.com/user/hogdog05/media/20150117_101211_zps3ybw9a6t.mp4.html

[jdt]

good posts by all . i'll add that if a cow or bull wants to be bad and rough i don't mind a dog being just as bad and rough ! however , the minute that cow or bull gets his or her mind right and goes back to the herd the dog/s need to go back to baying and circling . other than a reminder from e collar or voice command maybe crack of a whip or rat shot this for the most part is not training ... its genetics .

   i like to sit on my horse by the truck and drink a cup of coffee or a beer while the dogs get them settled and ready to drive. instead of having to go referree   

   if you have dogs so rough you have to go referee then you'll be pushing cattle over your dogs before they are settled and just making them rough dogs rougher 

[Judge peel]

Hogdog05 nice dogs bubba

[shadygrovehawgdawg]

Looking good  Hogdog05. Looks like you. Have a  nice set of dogs. I  agree jdt when them dogs change their mind on The direction them  cows thought they wanted to go it's time to back off. I  like  to see their minds changed  quick too. Rough  dogs get that done.  when you get them cows dog broke it's fun to watch young Dogs or good bay and lead dogs work. Next to hog hunting gathering and  catching cows is the most fun you can have with a good cur dog. Good luck to all of you.

[Judge peel]

Hogdog05 did I hunt with you last yr in streetman with Garcia

[hogdog05]

I reckon so.

[Judge peel]

Hey hogdog05 what line of yellas them dogs of yours

[hogdog05]

Judge My dogs are Bob owens, David Rigney, Ben jordan, clue Anderson, and chance ward bred.
I'd have to disagree with shadygrove.....Catching and gathering cows is better than hog hunting.

[Judge peel]

Gotcha hogdog05 Garcia said your cow dogs was pretty good

[jdt]

good thread !

         it seems that all the good yeller cowdogs go back the same way that me and hogdog05's dogs do , driver, owens , rigney , jordan , anderson , ward. back to the original bigboy/blondie cross .    what about other bmc lines that are bred to have the finesse to keep rank cattle bayed but at the same time not drag down and kill calves ?


                                                are there any ?

[C L]

A number of blackmouth cur cowdogs from parts of the Big Thicket of East Texas were pretty good at stopping rough cattle. There have been discussions of Mr. Taylor's dogs;  Jude Hart, Tom Winfrey, Risinger family, Henry and Jimmy Thornton, Buddy Lowrey, Clyde Ashcraft, Curtis Spivey, T C Pouland, Ray Modisette and his cousins Havard are all folks that I associate with decent kinds of blackmouth curs. And for each of the ones whose name we know there are several we never heard of but who had good dogs. Many of these dogs were yellow (fawn) but some were red, black & tan, brindle and variations of these.

[jdt]

thank you dr. long .

 it's been said that the taylors brought the first yeller dogs to the big thicket , anybody know if this is true ?

   most certainly not all of them were yeller and had the pretty black mask that is so important now, but does anybody know where the taylors came from and their background before they came to texas . i know this can be a touchy subject .

my only reason for wondering is i'm a history buff .