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« on: September 23, 2009, 02:19:17 pm » |
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Ive been inspired by another thread.  What would you folks consider hot, medium, and cold nosed to be? I've got my own thoughts on this and they seem to differ from what I've seen in other post. I sure ain't claiming to be right now. I am just wondering what other folks think and how far off I am in my way of thinking. What I think: Hot - 0 - 4 hour track Medium - 4 - 12 hour track Cold - 12 hours plus I've seen dogs take a 24 hour old track and put a hog at the end of it. I guess I consider them to be "super cold nosed" dogs. What do you think? |
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2009, 02:27:50 pm » |
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i would have to agree with your scale.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2009, 02:30:37 pm » |
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I would like to know how often people actually know that the hog they bayed, is the same one from the original track. I know that with my crummy old dogs, I have seen a hog come out of a canal, and they did not pick up the 10 minute track  |
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2009, 02:37:55 pm » |
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Alan, I'm glad at your age you still get inspired.  I think this really depends on the climate, terrain, and a list of other things. I hear guys out in Idaho talk about running a lion track that is 7 days old. However, that is in the snow. As you know, snow can lock a scent in where it will remain until the snow melts. That being said, in the dry desert, I don't see the same dog, tracking 7 day tracks period. Way too many variables to put a solid # on what cold, med., or hot tracks are. I am a firm believer that you have to be in that situation to determine it for yourself. JMO!!!!!!! Josh |
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 02:51:56 pm » |
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Thats a good question. Get into a place with lots of hog sign and who knows!?
Occasionally I cut dogs loose on a track from a hog that was sighted and thats the only way I can really tell for sure. Other than that Im just guessing. Reading sign, knowing hog movement, and the country Im hunting helps with the guessing but its still guessing.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2009, 03:02:44 pm » |
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Alan, I'm glad at your age you still get inspired. I think this really depends on the climate, terrain, and a list of other things. I hear guys out in Idaho talk about running a lion track that is 7 days old. However, that is in the snow. As you know, snow can lock a scent in where it will remain until the snow melts. That being said, in the dry desert, I don't see the same dog, tracking 7 day tracks period. Way too many variables to put a solid # on what cold, med., or hot tracks are. I am a firm believer that you have to be in that situation to determine it for yourself. JMO!!!!!!! Josh Me too! Not much inspires me these days.lol. Im inclined to agree with you also CBK. As much as I hate too. Its a lot to do with the moisture in and on the ground I think. Ive seen dogs grind out an 8 plus hour old track in a river bottom and put a hog at the end of it. I've watched the same dang dogs in South Texas stroll right over scalding hot tracks that I witnessed a hog leave only minutes before, never giving it a second look. The difference? Damp river bottom verses powder dry brush country. |
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2009, 03:05:29 pm » |
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Alan,
JMO!!!!!!!
Josh
Why are you always so dang loud when you give your opinion CBK? lol. |
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 03:05:39 pm » |
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Soil makeup has a certain amount of variables to it as well. It is not just moisture % in my mind (yes, it is a little mind).
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 03:06:37 pm » |
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Alan,
JMO!!!!!!!
Josh
Why are you always so dang loud when you give your opinion CBK? lol. IN MY OPINION, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT!!!!!!!! |
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 03:08:01 pm » |
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4 hour track is a decent amount of time. We have put good dogs on the grou nd on a track that is min. old and not came out with the hog. Too many factors I think to really label a dog. My dogs wont touch anything that isnt fresh. I really doubt many people on here have a dog that will take and find a 12 hr track.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 03:35:47 pm » |
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I really doubt many on here have seen a dog take a 4 hr old track. Most places dogs like that aren't needed.
The longest I've seen that I know for fact was 6 ish hours. I saw the hogs and they criss-crossed the road in front of the truck 3 times over a half mile of driving. We put Kevin O's Stoli dog on the track from the field where I first saw them. She left out on the track and everywhere the hogs had crossed she would cross in front of us. We caught 1, then she rolled out and we caught #2, then she rolled out and we caught the last one. Then Kevin locked his keys in his truck as the blizzard started. Lol
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 03:39:43 pm » |
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I would consider any track over one to two hours old to be cold a hog can, when he wants to, travel a long long ways at a walk in a single hour. If a hog comes and eats at my feeder and beds down 30 yards behind it and they strike him 3 hours after the feeder threw corn well you see where I am going with this...
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2009, 04:00:10 pm » |
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How would someone put a time on a track? I understand if you are sitting there the whole time and know exactly how long it has been since the hog passed. I know it is probably just an estimate, but it seems it would be pretty easy to over estimate.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2009, 04:06:57 pm » |
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there are so many variables that it is really hard to time. I have seen my tracking dog find a hog after 23 hours. then loose a trail after 2. soil, vegetation, moisture, time of day, wind, all play a part, and probably a bunch of things i haven't mentioned. Granted a tracking dog is not a hog dog, but the same basic concept applies.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2009, 04:30:13 pm » |
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Lance I will definitely agree that, too many variables to have a concrete answer on time. The point I was trying to make with my previos post is that a hog can cover more country in an hour than a hog can make up given the opportunity. I have watched hogs in west texas come to a feeder from over 2 miles away, stop eat and I would lose sight of them 2.5-3 miles away in the opposite direction. All of this transpired in less then 30 minutes. I have never hunted with a dog that could pick up a track and trail a group of hogs that far and have a cought hog at the end of it. At the rate they were moving they would have been 10 miles away in an hour. Most of the time where we hunt if a dog takes a track and follows it for more then .5 mile with the track really heating up or finding the hog then then they turn back and make a loop. I have seen dogs impress the fire out of me and on the same hunt not be able to smell a hog that ran across the road 30 seconds ago. There are alot of things that can't be explained when it comes to scent and tracking ability.
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2009, 06:55:36 pm » |
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there are so many variables that it is really hard to time. I have seen my tracking dog find a hog after 23 hours. then loose a trail after 2. soil, vegetation, moisture, time of day, wind, all play a part, and probably a bunch of things i haven't mentioned. Granted a tracking dog is not a hog dog, but the same basic concept applies.
Are you talking about a blood trailing dog. If so, when they are trailing there, is physically something(blood) there. Trailing a hog, they are just smelling they scent left behind. |
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2009, 07:16:33 pm » |
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Typical hill country hunt with no blood, just where a hog crossed the road on an avg day for temp, wind, dew and all the other many factors.
Hot - 0 - 1 hour track
Medium - 1 - 3 hour track
Cold - 3 - 6 hour track
I have followed some of the best hounds in this part of the country on hogs of several diff breeds, and 6 hours is the top where a hog can be assured at the end. Anything more than that and you are sure eoungh cold trailing which just means they know one was around and want to work it out but just cant.
My question would be if you are good eoungh to tell the age of a track to be 12 hours old why do you need a dog, trail it up your self.
Unless you are standing there watching the hog cross you dont know for sure how old a track is and as one said in a reply here, 4 hours on a hog can be many miles away.
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2009, 07:30:23 pm » |
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Typical hill country hunt with no blood, just where a hog crossed the road on an avg day for temp, wind, dew and all the other many factors.
Hot - 0 - 1 hour track
Medium - 1 - 3 hour track
Cold - 3 - 6 hour track
I have followed some of the best hounds in this part of the country on hogs of several diff breeds, and 6 hours is the top where a hog can be assured at the end. Anything more than that and you are sure eoungh cold trailing which just means they know one was around and want to work it out but just cant.
My question would be if you are good eoungh to tell the age of a track to be 12 hours old why do you need a dog, trail it up your self.
Unless you are standing there watching the hog cross you dont know for sure how old a track is and as one said in a reply here, 4 hours on a hog can be many miles away.
I could easily agree with this discription for most places I've hunted. |
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2009, 08:16:43 pm » |
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Typical hill country hunt with no blood, just where a hog crossed the road on an avg day for temp, wind, dew and all the other many factors.
Hot - 0 - 1 hour track
Medium - 1 - 3 hour track
Cold - 3 - 6 hour track
I have followed some of the best hounds in this part of the country on hogs of several diff breeds, and 6 hours is the top where a hog can be assured at the end. Anything more than that and you are sure eoungh cold trailing which just means they know one was around and want to work it out but just cant.
My question would be if you are good eoungh to tell the age of a track to be 12 hours old why do you need a dog, trail it up your self.
Unless you are standing there watching the hog cross you dont know for sure how old a track is and as one said in a reply here, 4 hours on a hog can be many miles away.
Thats pretty much the same as here.Takes a cold nosed dog to take a 4 hour old track,around here.Plus the dog would more than likely come accross another hog. |
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2009, 08:38:45 pm » |
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I would like to see a dog that could take a 24 hr track in the hill country or well in any country for that matter, just dont expect me to follow you unless he stays on the road................never mind on second thought leave him at home and we can hunt some hot/hot/hot nosed dogs and catch more hogs.
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