BULLY KUTTA

[uglydog]

Dogos are pretty similiar. many dogos are well over 100 lbs, but hog doggers just pick smaller dogs out of the gene pool to breed and hunt. I really like dogos, but they are white, I wish they came in black or brindle.

And this kind Of stuff is why I rarely come on this site, Do really think Hog Doggers just went to the store and picked out two dogs because it was the cool size and color and like I think this will fit?  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, they only gety bred from tried tested and proven of what is efficient of proven to catch and prove it works day in and day out, healthy and it WORKS THE BEST IN THE HUMIDITY AND TERRAIN we live in, no flat dessert lands,,,,,,but You would have to think about more then a color or wish it came in better colors for your collection. That's from people that actually get out and catch hogs year round and have breeds that do the jobs instead of reinventing the wheel.

[liefalwepon]

Dogos are pretty similiar. many dogos are well over 100 lbs, but hog doggers just pick smaller dogs out of the gene pool to breed and hunt. I really like dogos, but they are white, I wish they came in black or brindle.

And this kind Of stuff is why I rarely come on this site, Do really think Hog Doggers just went to the store and picked out two dogs because it was the cool size and color and like I think this will fit?  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, they only gety bred from tried tested and proven of what is efficient of proven to catch and prove it works day in and day out, healthy and it WORKS THE BEST IN THE HUMIDITY AND TERRAIN we live in, no flat dessert lands,,,,,,but You would have to think about more then a color or wish it came in better colors for your collection. That's from people that actually get out and catch hogs year round and have breeds that do the jobs instead of reinventing the wheel.

So you are saying that when they were creating dogos that only the white dogs ended up being good hunting dogs, so they bred out all the other colors because they couldnt hunt??? thats ridiculous!!! The current dogo breed standard only alows

[liefalwepon]

the current dogo breed standard only allows for ten percent of the dogs head to be not white, that has nothing to do with hunting ability

[Black Streak]

I think you missed UglyDogs point completely.      UglyDogs isn't concerned about color and rightfully so.   A working dog should be chosen on it's abilities and it's drive and hunt style and so on.     Color does not catch pigs or make the dog great in the working world.   Maybe in the show world but not the working world.   Choosing a dog for its color rather than its working abilities tells a lot of working dog people a lot about you.      This sight is geared towards working dogs not show dogs.      I hope I explained good enough without insulting.    That's my take on what UglyDog was conveying and if so I'm 100% in agreement.

[WayOutWest]

Nearly all breed standards are written by "show" people and do nothing but add to the decline in the quality of that breed. Whatever was meant by those breed standards gets misinterpreted by each generation and twisted to their view of what that dog should look like to do the job it was originally bred for. If the dogs are not tested in the discipline they were bred for the decline will be inevitable! Having color in a breed standard is pretty ridiculous in my opinion, it is a preference not a determination ability to get the job done. Sorry for the soap box but I am a recovering dog show judge! LOL

[liefalwepon]

I think you missed UglyDogs point completely.      UglyDogs isn't concerned about color and rightfully so.   A working dog should be chosen on it's abilities and it's drive and hunt style and so on.     Color does not catch pigs or make the dog great in the working world.   Maybe in the show world but not the working world.   Choosing a dog for its color rather than its working abilities tells a lot of working dog people a lot about you.      This sight is geared towards working dogs not show dogs.      I hope I explained good enough without insulting.    That's my take on what UglyDog was conveying and if so I'm 100% in agreement.

Actually u missed the point. The two brothers who created the dogo thought that color was very important, surely in some instances more important than hunting ability, or else they could not have created a breed of dog that was consistently all or mostly white. color is exactly what they selected for along with many other traits they deemed important. So if you think it says something about me then it also says the same thing about the breeders of the dogo. Sure I prefer certain colors because they are easier on the eyes, but I have never chosen a dog based on color if thats what you are assuming. All things being equal, if I chose a pup out of a litter with different colored pups, I probably wouldnt choose white, does that mean im choosing a lesser pup? I dont think so, Ive raised litters up and the ones I think are going to be the best hog dogs in the end are rarely the ones I would have picked. Ive noticed I do pick the ones with the disposition I like accurately but not hunting ability. When your hunting at night Ive noticed big boars will target white dogs, and hogs that have a tendency to run will see them further off where its open and get a head start, I prefer dogs that are camouflaged to their surrounding. that being said I bet youd be surprised to know that my best dog is white and half dogo, I picked him for his disposition and he just happened to turn out to be one of the best dogs ive ever had. so no I dont pick my dogs solely on color, but I wouldnt knock a guy if he did, its a free country. whatever floats your boat, have at it. Maybe your that guy who rides around on a white horse like the lone ranger, or who stalks deer in snow white camo,Im not. Seems to me your post says something about you, that you assume a lot with very little information, and we all know what assuming does.....

[liefalwepon]

Nearly all breed standards are written by "show" people and do nothing but add to the decline in the quality of that breed. Whatever was meant by those breed standards gets misinterpreted by each generation and twisted to their view of what that dog should look like to do the job it was originally bred for. If the dogs are not tested in the discipline they were bred for the decline will be inevitable! Having color in a breed standard is pretty ridiculous in my opinion, it is a preference not a determination ability to get the job done. Sorry for the soap box but I am a recovering dog show judge! LOL

 I fully agree with you, I shouldnt have used the breed standard in my example but the fact that the brothers who created the dogo thought that color was very important, so much that they selected for it for decades

[Judge peel]

Color draws your eyes to the dog. But ability makes you keep it


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[Reuben]

http://www.settersunlimited.com/images/Jack%202008.jpg

http://www.yvkc.org/Award2008/Zach%20moving%202.JPG

one is a show dog the other a hunting dog of the same breed...

[liefalwepon]

I started out breeding Decker rat terriers for deer hunting, at one point I was going to get my pups registered through the Decker Hunting Terrier Registry, Which is supposedly just for breeders who hunt their dogs. But they still have a breed standard. The brothers who created the dogo had a breed standard, it might have been in their head but they had a clear plan of what they were creating or dogos wouldnt have such little variation. Any breed of dog that breeds true had a breed standard at one point, it doesnt mean they arent good hunting dogs, most hunters cant breed for color and all the other qualities that make up a good hunting dog successfully because it would be to costly, you would need too many dogs, not because it ruins the breed. The dogo was bred to be white for visibility, so you could see your dogs from long distances with the naked eye, today with trackers its not so beneficial, I dont think they would have made the dogo white in this day and age. if you look on Los Cazadores kennels webpage it gives a summary of the history of the dogo and in it it says Augustin Nores Martinez, the creator of the dogo WROTE the first breed standard for the dogo in 1928. theres nothing wrong with having a breed standard with color in it, its breeders who dont hunt their dogs that destroy the breed as we as hunters would like to see it preserved.

[WayOutWest]

I would like to hear a good reason why anyone would specifically breed for white with all the issues that come with white. Color is the easiest thing to nail down in a breeding program. All those things you can't see like hunt and nose and range and......... are a lil tougher!

[Reuben]

I would like to hear a good reason why anyone would specifically breed for white with all the issues that come with white. Color is the easiest thing to nail down in a breeding program. All those things you can't see like hunt and nose and range and......... are a lil tougher!

x2...no exotic colors for me as well...chocolate and the wrong white equals to bad pads on long hunts not to mention deafness and eye sight issues amongst other things such as skin problems, allergies and sometimes no undercoats...did I miss something? 

[l.h.cracker]

Heat tolerance? Wasn't that a goal with the dogo?

[Black Streak]

I think you missed UglyDogs point completely.      UglyDogs isn't concerned about color and rightfully so.   A working dog should be chosen on it's abilities and it's drive and hunt style and so on.     Color does not catch pigs or make the dog great in the working world.   Maybe in the show world but not the working world.   Choosing a dog for its color rather than its working abilities tells a lot of working dog people a lot about you.      This sight is geared towards working dogs not show dogs.      I hope I explained good enough without insulting.    That's my take on what UglyDog was conveying and if so I'm 100% in agreement.

Actually u missed the point. The two brothers who created the dogo thought that color was very important, surely in some instances more important than hunting ability, or else they could not have created a breed of dog that was consistently all or mostly white. color is exactly what they selected for along with many other traits they deemed important. So if you think it says something about me then it also says the same thing about the breeders of the dogo. Sure I prefer certain colors because they are easier on the eyes, but I have never chosen a dog based on color if thats what you are assuming. All things being equal, if I chose a pup out of a litter with different colored pups, I probably wouldnt choose white, does that mean im choosing a lesser pup? I dont think so, Ive raised litters up and the ones I think are going to be the best hog dogs in the end are rarely the ones I would have picked. Ive noticed I do pick the ones with the disposition I like accurately but not hunting ability. When your hunting at night Ive noticed big boars will target white dogs, and hogs that have a tendency to run will see them further off where its open and get a head start, I prefer dogs that are camouflaged to their surrounding. that being said I bet youd be surprised to know that my best dog is white and half dogo, I picked him for his disposition and he just happened to turn out to be one of the best dogs ive ever had. so no I dont pick my dogs solely on color, but I wouldnt knock a guy if he did, its a free country. whatever floats your boat, have at it. Maybe your that guy who rides around on a white horse like the lone ranger, or who stalks deer in snow white camo,Im not. Seems to me your post says something about you, that you assume a lot with very little information, and we all know what assuming does.....

    Your right, I'm not really following you at all.

[liefalwepon]

I think you missed UglyDogs point completely.      UglyDogs isn't concerned about color and rightfully so.   A working dog should be chosen on it's abilities and it's drive and hunt style and so on.     Color does not catch pigs or make the dog great in the working world.   Maybe in the show world but not the working world.   Choosing a dog for its color rather than its working abilities tells a lot of working dog people a lot about you.      This sight is geared towards working dogs not show dogs.      I hope I explained good enough without insulting.    That's my take on what UglyDog was conveying and if so I'm 100% in agreement.

Actually u missed the point. The two brothers who created the dogo thought that color was very important, surely in some instances more important than hunting ability, or else they could not have created a breed of dog that was consistently all or mostly white. color is exactly what they selected for along with many other traits they deemed important. So if you think it says something about me then it also says the same thing about the breeders of the dogo. Sure I prefer certain colors because they are easier on the eyes, but I have never chosen a dog based on color if thats what you are assuming. All things being equal, if I chose a pup out of a litter with different colored pups, I probably wouldnt choose white, does that mean im choosing a lesser pup? I dont think so, Ive raised litters up and the ones I think are going to be the best hog dogs in the end are rarely the ones I would have picked. Ive noticed I do pick the ones with the disposition I like accurately but not hunting ability. When your hunting at night Ive noticed big boars will target white dogs, and hogs that have a tendency to run will see them further off where its open and get a head start, I prefer dogs that are camouflaged to their surrounding. that being said I bet youd be surprised to know that my best dog is white and half dogo, I picked him for his disposition and he just happened to turn out to be one of the best dogs ive ever had. so no I dont pick my dogs solely on color, but I wouldnt knock a guy if he did, its a free country. whatever floats your boat, have at it. Maybe your that guy who rides around on a white horse like the lone ranger, or who stalks deer in snow white camo,Im not. Seems to me your post says something about you, that you assume a lot with very little information, and we all know what assuming does.....

    Your right, I'm not really following you at all.

If that didnt explain it I dont know what will

[Teag_D]

It seems very suspect that you never seen any of the initial cross photos. If anyone has a link showing some I would appreciate it. Out of 10 breeds you get one look.... consistantly, even early on? Seems odd

[liefalwepon]

ya out of ten breeds and only two of them are white, you cant get an all white breed without selecting heavily for the color white. it sure didnt ruin the dogo

[Fixitlouie]

DOGOS still today are getting pups with black and brown patches on there body from seemingly all white parents.  Its heavily penalized and therefore not   seen to often. Deafness is one problem prone to boxers especially white ones. However hardly and deafness in that fluffy ass great pearnese. But the black spots on the body (skin not coat) are always on that great parnese dog. Its just a standard and a good one for that region...here in TEXAS especially with all this dam rain the white dogo turns brown from all the mud or cant see number 2 in thick piney woods. But when he is cleaned up dude looks good in the neighborhood! !

[liefalwepon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VWJSAl5e4Q watch this video and tell me bully kuttas arent badazz!!!

[Judge peel]

I saw some good baying dogs then a dogo am I missing something ?


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