Common knowledge...

[Scott]

I saw the following comment on an advert for a 4 month old pup for sale and thought I'd add my own commentary. I broke it off into a different thread because my comments are of a general nature regarding all pups/dogs, not the specific ad that the comment originated.

"It is not a cheap dog but based on my experiences with dogos they have bred, if someone decides this is what they want, just know that you will be getting your moneys worth, every penny of it."

When you buy a pup, you are buying the blood....nothing more, nothing less. Now you can up the odds of the pup turning out by making sure they are off proven working stock, linebred, ect. But, there are no guarantees when it comes to pups turning out...there are culls in every litter.

[cantexduck]

 I think no matter what, a pup is always a gamble.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

I would rather get a pup from a reputable breeder who has had success with similar hunting styles to my own on similar game.  If it comes from a long line of proven stock, I truely believe it will turn on dependent upon the training program.  

I'd rather give it a go myself, than to buy someone else's cull.  If they part with it, it did not fill their definition of a hog dog 100%.  Otherwise they would still be feeding it.  There are exceptions, but this is the norm.  JMO

[lonewolf]

I have raised border collie cattle dogs for years! I have tried to breed the traits I wanted in them hard bite, trainable, walkup power, and keep herding instinct with brains. In saying all of this if I got 40% of a litter to do this I thought I was successful. It seems to me that good hunting dogs would not be any differant, But so many times I hear people say all the pups in the last litter were great hunters. In my opinion a pup is a gamble no matter the parents. I like to buy a pup at an older age so I can have an idea if it has what I'm looking for.

[bghogdogtx]

Any animal is a gamble.  Weather it be a dog, cat, horse, etc.

[Bryant]

I think no matter what, a pup is always a gamble.

True, but it IS possible to stack your odds.

[Monteria]

IMHO,

Even though you can stack the odds in your favor, any breeder who claims 100% of their puppies will make should set higher expectations of their progeny.

Steve

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

I have raised border collie cattle dogs for years! I have tried to breed the traits I wanted in them hard bite, trainable, walkup power, and keep herding instinct with brains. In saying all of this if I got 40% of a litter to do this I thought I was successful. It seems to me that good hunting dogs would not be any differant, But so many times I hear people say all the pups in the last litter were great hunters. In my opinion a pup is a gamble no matter the parents. I like to buy a pup at an older age so I can have an idea if it has what I'm looking for.

If 40% was your target mark, you have low standards in my opinion.  Not bad mouthing, just stating my opinion on an open forum.  Your 40 % may lead the breed for all I know.

[Monteria]

au contraire!

I don't think a % of progeny was his goal, the quality of said progeny was.

As such, if he only had a 40% turn out, I think that he set pretty high standards. More over, he was honest enough to evaluate them accurately rather than being breed or bloodline blind.

If more people judged their progeny as strictly, and the bottom 50% of every litter were considered culls, we would have a lot better performing dogs on average!

Steve

[kevin]

au contraire!

I don't think a % of progeny was his goal, the quality of said progeny was.

As such, if he only had a 40% turn out, I think that he set pretty high standards. More over, he was honest enough to evaluate them accurately rather than being breed or bloodline blind.

If more people judged their progeny as strictly, and the bottom 50% of every litter were considered culls, we would have a lot better performing dogs on average!

Steve

Id be happy with 40%.  If your only goal is for the dogs to bay, then yeah 40% is no good. 
If you want them to bay well, start early, range far, have a cold nose, closed mouth, certain build, tough pads, loads of bottom, etc.  Then 40% is pretty good. 
 My opinion

[kevin]

As far as the original subject.  I think you also have to figure in what your getting for the money.  If the breeder tests breeding stock for things like hip dysplasia and elbows and eyes and hearing.  The healthier the breeding stock, the better chances of having healthy pups.  That is worth something.

[hoghunterdfw]

In general you are right about a pup being a gamble. And no one is putting out 100% perfect litters. The reason I was saying this pup would most likely turn out is because that particular breeder does a lot of tests to determine the best placement for their pups, and due to all their experience in the breed, they have been pretty dead on at being able to look at a litter of young pups and picking out the ones that look like they have what it takes to be a good hunting dog. Plus if the pup was a cull, I have faith in this breeder that they will do whatever it takes to make it right by both parties.  Those were the specific reasons for my comments.

[Caney Creek Hog Doggers]

I don't know about ya'll but I don't believe in a good bloodline. Know matter what you have somewhere in that so called good bloodline theres going to be a few turn out bad everytime. In the last two weeks we saved 10 dogs from our local dog pound, with a little work 9 dogs out of 10 slammed the hog everytime. We hunt them in the woods and they do just as good as my high dollar dogs, in my mind it doesn't matter what you have just as long as the dog wants to do it. I've seen ppl beat dogs trying to get them to pay attention to a hog but the dog just didn't have the "want" in him. As long as they want to do it and you work with them almost any dog can be successful.

[hoghunterdfw]

caney creek hogdoggers you must live out in the country where a higher precentage of the pound dogs are actually someones lost working dogs, or where the dogs are more likely to be from some kind of working stock.  I can tell you right now that you aren't going to a city dog pound and getting 9 out 10 dogs to work a hog and hunt out good.

[lilmisshogdogger]

I AGREE FOR THE MOST PART WITH U COLTON, ALOT HAS TO DO WITH THE TRAINER TOO BUT I KNOW EV1 KNOWES THAT.... AND HOGHUNTERDFW U ARE PROBABLY SOMEWHAT RIGHT ON THAT ONE, BUT I THINK ITS REAL GR8 PEOPLE SAVE DOGS OUT OF THE POUND AND MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THEM

[Bryant]

There's a BIG difference in a catch dog (or should I just say a dog that will catch), and a hunting dog.
I've worked VERY few pits that I couldn't get to catch in a matter of minutes.

That's not what this post is about.

Raise some various hunting dog pups, then you'll understand good bloodlines.

[Caney Creek Hog Doggers]

nope all the dogs come from the geto where they have been chained all there lives, they cut them loose when they can't feed them anymore or there old lady keeps getting on them, we don't have a county pound just a city one, therefore its almost impossible for a lost working dog to end up there, he would have to travel a good ways. People around here catch them before they make it there and call the owners or put up flyiers. In small towns everyone knows each other so we know pretty much know who's dog is who's!!

[Caney Creek Hog Doggers]

bryant, I've got 3 pups that I raised off the streets, 2 of them will find there own hog, the other one will bay the socks off one in the pen and is a great help dog!!!

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Based of this one thread alone, I will dip out leaving one word, "Perception".

[boarwild]

Caney creek hog dogger i am pretty new this but i don't think you could have said it any better then that.  i have a buddy that pulled a mut out of fenced yard in town, and he is now one of his top hog dogs.  we have no idea what it is, but don't really care.  I think any dog will hunt with the right drive and training, but like i said i am new to the owning a dog part so my opinion means nothing.