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Most of what I know about OFRN comes second hand from Orval Sneed or what I have read. I do know that Iron Mike up in Indiana had some good ones he called OFRN. I got my LG stuff by breeding to Musket while he was at TLK. I have access to it up here now thru a good son. But I only have the one dog anymore with real dog bloodlines. I have a bulldog bred strictly for catching for the last 20 yrs. I had limited success trying to make catchdogs out of the dogs I was breeding. They were not wired to go for the ear and they were more wound up than what I have now. I didn't have a bunch of dog aggression but when I only hunt on my one trip to Texas a year it's hard to get a catchdog consistant unless it's bred in. Years ago I judged MachoBuck in a show in Liberty when I was still Judging. I don't know if Chico showed him any other times but he looked like an ol Warrior then.
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Yesir! He would sell the cake but keep the ingredients separately. I don't agree with that practice but to each his own. At this point though, IMO, it doesn't make much of a difference as far back as the "carver" dogs really are. I know you know that, just saying I don't care. I focus on the dogs closer up as most do.
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A lot of what you just wrote I've heard before and believe it to be true because of so many with the same story. Especially about him hunting them hard and combing through them. That's one line that I hope doesn't end up being peddled like a lot of the others. I like the fact that not may know of them, that's how I hope it stays. I also heard BB was a bad bad girl, I would have loved to see those hunts. That is funny about the $250 a pup deal and passing lol.
If you don't mind me asking, Slim, do you still feed any LG dogs?
No, I only have one bulldog, a direct son of Machobuck. I haven't had a yard of bulldogs for many, many years. I Stud this male out on occasion and will probably always have a bulldog around to feed and love on. I just like em and can't see myself not having one or two around to admire. I will go hog hunting on occasion and bring the catch dog for the group, but I sold all my yellow cur dogs a few years ago and don't go much anymore. If you want to bring the heat, you ought to bring one of those GMan gyps and breed to Macho Sam. He is the real deal.
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Most of what I know about OFRN comes second hand from Orval Sneed or what I have read. I do know that Iron Mike up in Indiana had some good ones he called OFRN. I got my LG stuff by breeding to Musket while he was at TLK. I have access to it up here now thru a good son. But I only have the one dog anymore with real dog bloodlines. I have a bulldog bred strictly for catching for the last 20 yrs. I had limited success trying to make catchdogs out of the dogs I was breeding. They were not wired to go for the ear and they were more wound up than what I have now. I didn't have a bunch of dog aggression but when I only hunt on my one trip to Texas a year it's hard to get a catchdog consistant unless it's bred in. Years ago I judged MachoBuck in a show in Liberty when I was still Judging. I don't know if Chico showed him any other times but he looked like an ol Warrior then.
Now there is a name from the past . . . Norrod. I remember when I first got into dogs in the 80's, I would see Mike Norrod's Ironline Kennel ads. I would always turn my nose up at it because the names in the pedigrees were not impressive or considered mainstream at the time. I was bad wrong. That Maximillian/ Ch Iron Spike stuff was actually some real good dogs. Going back to Red Devil/Creed's Iron Dusty/Corvino stuff. Then I noticed some years later that Mike had the dog I believe called Gambler, who was out of Miret's Bud x Norrod gyp. Notice how Miret's Bud was the heavy Redboy stuff and a grandson of Kitten's Ch. Britches. I believe Norrod knew how Redboy was truly bred and that's why he crossed it into his stuff. I am one of the people who 100% believes that Bass Tramp Redboy was down from Creed's Iron Dusty/Wise's Red Devil breeding, and NOT out of Howard Teal's stuff as his papers indicate. I have probably had more Redboy dogs than any other line I've had. I had several off Deacon, Hunter Red, etc. and I was shown an old photo of Iron Dusty/Red Devil (same dog) and it was like I was looking at my dogs . . . identically. I owned Holland's Haymaker ROM and he is the spitting image of Iron Dusty, and so is WCC's Deacon, and so was WCC's Ernie who I had for a couple of years. I bought Haymaker from Dykes when he was 9 years old and kept him until he died. He is buried down by the creek behind my house. My partner and I also had Kitten's Ch. Britches when he died in 1995. He was 12 or 13 years old. I guess Redboy dogs are actually some of the closest thing there is to old family red nose if you believe they are bred the way I believe. |
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Slim I believe the same way you do on Redboy. It just don't make sense that there was so much change in a line of dogs. Same way with Blackjack, no way he was off Gator. I had a bitch off Blackjack and bred back to Gator sons and it worked out very well for me. Carver may have been the best at sellin you just what you wanted but Pat Patrick was a close second. I did see that Gambler dog when he was 9 or 10 yrs. old and he looked pretty good. I've been blessed (or cursed) depending how you look at it to have met a whole bunch of the old dogmen. Sadly it just seems all I hear about now is when another one dies. I visited Floyd B. this last winter and he gave me and my buddy Tdog some breakin sticks and some good wood to make more so I sent him down a knife about a week ago that I had made. I think I will just keep that message on my phone of him thanking me. It was a pretty cool deep down thank you.
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No, I only have one bulldog, a direct son of Machobuck. I haven't had a yard of bulldogs for many, many years. I Stud this male out on occasion and will probably always have a bulldog around to feed and love on. I just like em and can't see myself not having one or two around to admire. I will go hog hunting on occasion and bring the catch dog for the group, but I sold all my yellow cur dogs a few years ago and don't go much anymore. If you want to bring the heat, you ought to bring one of those GMan gyps and breed to Macho Sam. He is the real deal.
that is an impressive pedigree you have on Macho Sam...I wouldn't mind having a pup out of him one day...if you a picture of Sam you should post it...what is his weight and shoulder height? |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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No, I only have one bulldog, a direct son of Machobuck. I haven't had a yard of bulldogs for many, many years. I Stud this male out on occasion and will probably always have a bulldog around to feed and love on. I just like em and can't see myself not having one or two around to admire. I will go hog hunting on occasion and bring the catch dog for the group, but I sold all my yellow cur dogs a few years ago and don't go much anymore. If you want to bring the heat, you ought to bring one of those GMan gyps and breed to Macho Sam. He is the real deal.
that is an impressive pedigree you have on Macho Sam...I wouldn't mind having a pup out of him one day...if you a picture of Sam you should post it...what is his weight and shoulder height? I weighed him this week and he is 55 lbs, lean on the chain. I've never measured a dogs shoulder height. Let me get my wife to see if I can post a pic, I don't know how. |
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Tickles me seein that ped since I bred Cali. I am waiting on the breeding of a son of Musket to Kandi as soon as she comes in. I am in line for a bitch out of that. Kandi is a big bitch comin down from Tanner.
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Tickles me seein that ped since I bred Cali. I am waiting on the breeding of a son of Musket to Kandi as soon as she comes in. I am in line for a bitch out of that. Kandi is a big bitch comin down from Tanner.
I bet it does! I appreciate what you did, I sure like my dog. I haven't been able to get out and work her like I want to but she shows me things that I like so far. You wouldn't be talking about http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=319875, would you? |
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No, my buddy up here has Kandee right now and will be breeding her to a son off Musket , I can't remember the bitch. He had on off Musket and Kandee tho for awhile and he was an intense son of a gun that you had to watch your hands around. He would nip ya and it hurt like heII. That Tanner dog was the real deal. His owner still says he was the best he has had.
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Oh ok. If things work out, I'm supposed to be getting a pup off of GR CH Son , that's why I asked. That's how this "Luna" dog is off of Cali, she gets worked up and she'll nip you. She nipped me in my eye lid one time lol swelled up pretty good with a couple teeth marks haha. Yea, I've heard Tanner was all bulldog from all accounts. My other LG bred dog is a grandson of Tanner on the topside. He's LG/Hammonds blood.
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TLK does a lot of the LG/Hammonds crosses cause the LG bitches are so much better mothers. Those damn Hammond bitches practice tuff love. It doesn't come real natural to them.
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That is funny. That's very true, Hammond's dogs tend not to be the best mothers, you're sure right on that lol. The cross works well though from what I've heard.
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