waurika baying cut dog

[oklahoma hogger]

Just wandering if anyone has heard if that dog is ok or not?

[oklahoma hogger]

Hey Mud to bad you couldn't of made it it was lots of fun.
In all i think the baying went well there was a bunch of good dogs also i thought the judges were very fair.
Only thing I didnt like was that the hogs teeth weren't broke off.

[Caddo co. hog dog]

i agree ok hogger.. we seen the dog later that day. he raised his head at us. i think he will be ok.. i really liked the two times the dogs got into trouble everybody and thr dog was thr to give a helping hand..

[oklahoma hogger]

well thats good.

[TJR89]

i sure hope that dogs ok. i thought they would not have teeth or they would at least be filed down. i agree that the two times the dogs got in trouble it showed just how good of people whare ther because everybody rushed in to help

[shawn]

thats kind of irresponsible of the people putting on a baying not filing teeth down, wow

[oklahoma hogger]

It prolly would of been ok if they used a cut collar..JMO

[djhogdogger]

I may be wrong but I think that the largest baying around (Uncle Earl's) leaves the hogs teeth in their natual state. No different than when you take one to the woods, thats what cut vests and collars are for. Jmo    I do hope that the dog that got cut is okay.

[wcg89]

yeah your right djhogdogger, but in the woods, if a hog charges a dog they can run from a pig for however far they want and in that baypen they only have about 30 feet to get away if that hog charges. If a cut collar would have been on that dog the whole thing could have been avoided.  Now that dog runnin under the gate into the pen of hogs, that was just crazy but I guarantee there was 100 people running over there to help and the dog looked like he came out with a scratch or two.

overall though I thought that is was an awesome baying

[shawn]

yeah your right djhogdogger, but in the woods, if a hog charges a dog they can run from a pig for however far they want and in that baypen they only have about 30 feet to get away if that hog charges.

thats kind of what i was thinking

[pigman09]

We " DUB " our hogs teeth when we have the help . Usually every three months . Reggie Skains furnished the hogs for Uncle Earls in 2008 and he didn't dub his hogs teeth . I always tell eveyone to use a cut collar . Just makes for good common sense . Hope the dog makes a speedy recovery .

[Cristina]

I would think that in a bay pen a dog would have the advantage and disadvantage in the woods. You gotta think there are thorn brush, vines, trees, slough etc that a dog could get caught up in while trying to dodge a hog. i hope the dog made it ok its always good to run a vest or a collar.

[WAARHEID]

I'm not usually one to tell a grown man or woman how/what to do... we've already got too much of that as it is 

I do have to wonder though... if you're organizing an event, you do have the power/responsibility to make some basic safety rules - No Drinking, No Fighting, Park in designated areas only, etc, etc.

We all know from experience that if a dog's leg gets caught in the panel, or the hog pins the dog down against the panel, it can work the dog over pretty good. Common sense would dictate that a little trophy or some Calcutta cash aren't worth getting your entrants dogs torn up over     It wouldn't be too hard to require that one of two things happens:
** all cutters get dubbed.
-or-
** all dog have to have a CC on to walk into the pen.

Does that make sense or am I missing something?

[wcg89]

i hope this thread doesn't give the waurika bay a bad rep or anything, it's a good competition and I had fun watching.

Sure the hogs teeth should be dubbed so people won't have to worry about their dogs getting cut up as much, but I thought it went well overall except for a couple of incidents, that dog caught and the hog got a good lick in, a couple of things could have been done to prevent it from happening, but that stuff happens and we all know that.

The other accident was pretty freak...for those that don't know...the gate opened after the time was up so the hog could go back in and the gate didn't close quite fast enough and the dog ran in after the hog into the hog pen where all the other hogs were ...the whole place erupted and everyone ran to get the dog, the dog came out of there with a couple of small nicks on him nothing serious.

[oklahoma hogger]

Yea didn't mean to sound like it sucked.
my bad....

[Cristina]

I've seen that happen before a couple times. It was crazy lol but fun to see everyone jump in there and catch the dog

[WAARHEID]

Don't get me wrong... I wasn't really criticizing just asking if there isn't a place for a few simple safety precautions... that's all. All the feedback I've gotten is that Waurika went great and everyone had a good time! If I could find someone to enter a dog with I'd enter one of mine on a two dog entry there... it's whole lot closer to me than most other bay trails!

Stuff happens... like with that dog getting into the holding pen, something sort of similar has happened at Bremond before. They even have a chute (like a foyer) so the dog would actually have to slip past 2 different gates to get to all the hogs. Once in a while a dog has slipped into the chute with a hog despite the spring loaded gate and the best efforts of the staff to prevent it... like I said, stuff happens, there's only so much you can do to prevent accidents without being ridiculous about it.

It just seems to me that if you're not going to dub the hogs, then you should require cut collars on all dogs at the very least. I think I'd rather see the hogs dubbed, but that's just my own preference.

[pigman09]

I'm not usually one to tell a grown man or woman how/what to do... we've already got too much of that as it is 

I do have to wonder though... if you're organizing an event, you do have the power/responsibility to make some basic safety rules - No Drinking, No Fighting, Park in designated areas only, etc, etc.

We all know from experience that if a dog's leg gets caught in the panel, or the hog pins the dog down against the panel, it can work the dog over pretty good. Common sense would dictate that a little trophy or some Calcutta cash aren't worth getting your entrants dogs torn up over     It wouldn't be too hard to require that one of two things happens:
** all cutters get dubbed.
-or-
** all dog have to have a CC on to walk into the pen.

Does that make sense or am I missing something?

Good post and something for pen owners to consider . I too hope this thread has no negative affect on bay pens . I wasn't there so I really have no binding comment on this subject .
 Our pen has a " STALL " at the exit gate with another gate in front of the hog when he exits the pen . The hog can't go forward or turn around in the chute . He can back out , but if he has a dog on the rear end he has forward motion on his mind . We have two pen helpers , ( sometimes three ) inside the baying area and two or three working the chutes . If a dog catches the hog and goes into the " STALL " with the hog , a pen helper grabs the dogs back leggs . A chute worker has a " SLAT " he can remove quickley and break the dog off preventing minimum injury , if any , to the animals or any pen workers . Still accidents happen . We have them all of the time . Anyone thats around livestock will tell you the same , It happens . Dubbing the teeth cuts injuries down to a minimum , but again exception is a rule . We have two hogs that you could pull all of their teeth and they would still wreck a dog . They are known for biting more than cutting the dog . And as I stated in my other post , we have two holding cells to load the hogs in for safety reasons . We keep four hogs loaded to run in single cells . Also pen hogs need to learn how to work your system . They need to know to go one way and where the ENTRANCE & EXIT holes are .

[/quote] We all know from experience that if a dog's leg gets caught in the panel, or the hog pins the dog down against the panel,
 WARRHEID something else we have added recently to the pen . We put wet felt up over the tin to minimumize injuries . Most of the time the hogs will set up in the back near the exit .

 

I would think that in a bay pen a dog would have the advantage and disadvantage in the woods. You gotta think there are thorn brush, vines, trees, slough etc that a dog could get caught up in while trying to dodge a hog. i hope the dog made it ok its always good to run a vest or a collar.

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I have always believed that a large percentage of dog injuries in the field are from the dog not being able to move quick enough due to certain obstacles in the field . You also need to remember that most pen dogs are different than your woods dogs . Loose baying VS tight baying .