Amerigo / Big White Dogs (BWD) started by Ugly Dog Ranch (UDR)

[RyanTBH]

I needed to start this post for multiple reasons… First and foremost, to say thank you to the people in this lifestyle that helped me get to where I am now with my dogs, and where I seem to be headed. So thank you Krystal and Thomas Rohan, thank you James Reasoner, thank you Mike Bolen, thank you Bryant, thank you Jason McDonald, thank you Travis Sowell, thank you Trenton Willbanks, and thank you Blake Hesseltine; whether it’s because you got me dogs or learned me something I’m truly appreciative of it and wanted to make sure it has been said. Secondly, I thought there needed to be something on this board about the BWDs or Amerigo as I like to call them. For me personally, it all started with these white dogs when I saw Thomas’s profile pic on this board and asked him what dog it was. He told me that it was Cotton out of the foundation (UDR) Captain/Lucy breeding. I liked the looks of the dog a lot, and said that I’d like to have one (obviously). It definitely didn’t happen immediately… anyways, to make a long story as short as possible, I ended up getting to know Thomas and Krystal over messages and calls, and started to try and get involved in the LSWDA (Lone Star Working Dog Association), and what they were doing. I had plenty of time to help with PR, meeting and greeting, and trying to get the word out about the cause of fighting for our rights as hunters and the rights of our dogs as well. (I had this time due to two different surgeries…and a job that allowed me to do so.) That activity has since pretty much stopped unfortunately, but I think the spirit and thought are still alive, so I continue to spread the word and speak up for our rights as dog men/dog women. I was lucky enough to know Krystal and she knew that I wanted an Amerigo bad! Krystal let me know that Longshot was having a litter of BWDs, and might have one up for grabs. I called him, but unfortunately all were spoken for. I let Krystal know, and I thought that was that… well I guess he called Krystal, and they talked… needless to say, James calls me back and tells me that he still has his pick of the litter, but that he wasn’t too keen on selling her. I told him it didn’t matter what he wanted I’d pay it and drive 5.5 hours to pick her up that weekend. So that’s exactly what happened… $375, almost 4 years, and not a regret later I still have my girl PJ. I couldn’t have gotten luckier… if it weren’t for those folks being so nice and accepting me into their BWD group   I wouldn’t know one of my favorite companions/hunting partners, so thanks again guys/gal! I really do appreciate it beyond words.
 
To continue this in the correct fashion, since I got that out of the way, here is some of our history with the Big White Dogs or Amerigo. Since I picked up PJ, Blakebh and I have acquired Doodle, PJ’s half-sister, and Kid, PJ’s littermate brother. We’ve also crossed PJ back to Cotton (Captain/Lucy), and just recently crossed Kid to Doodle. We plan on continuing to move this line forward to our best abilities. I hope that we haven’t/don’t disappoint. I’d like to get everyone that has/does own a BWD/Amerigo to post pics and stories of their dogs and what they have done with them. I know it would mean a lot to me to have this as a record of the line, and I’m pretty sure it would mean the world to Krystal and Thomas to have their dogs put on a very well deserved pedestal for a moment. Thanks to you guys and gal, and wish you nothing but the best!
 
PJ / Kimber / Captain Kid’s pedigree

 
This is PJ.


 
PJ’s first hog in the woods

 

 
This is probably my favorite pic of PJ.

 



 
 
This is PJ and Captain Kid.

 
This is Kimber, Captain Kid, and PJ.

 
Kimber and PJ

 
 
This is Doodle.

 




 
 
PJ and Doodle


 
 
This is UDR's Cotton with Thomas.
 
 
Then we have the PJ x Cotton cross.

 
This is Dirt.

 
This is Ice. Aaron and Courtney Pesak own him.



 
This is Courtney with Ice and Kimber.

 
 
Then we have the Doodle x Captain Kid cross.

 

 

 
 
And the foundation sire Captain Morgan.


 
 
I've been hunting with dogs for almost 6 years now. Time has flown by it seems... One thing I always wanted was a white bulldog though. Way before I even knew people hunted with dogs when I was a kid and just wanted a dog... Y’all made that come true, as well as me being able to breed, raise, train, and hunt BWDs so from the bottom of my heart thank you because I don't know what I would be doing if I weren't doing this! Honestly wouldn't have it any other way.
 
Anyone that has had anything to do with, owned, raised, bred, hunted with any of these dogs or any of the dogs from the line whether they are crosses or not please feel free to post pictures and stories here of your Amerigo / Big White Dog, or a hybrid of the line. I'm sure Krystal and Thomas will appreciate seeing it all. Thanks for reading... I'll post anything else I find to his thread as well.

[RyanTBH]

Here's a good one too... Three gens of BWD females in one place.
Fat Jessie, Nickel, Doodle, Karma.

[longshot]

 Doodle may not win a beauty pageant but her shear athletic talent and determination in the woods make her a hard one to beat!!!

Pickle is doing good and still catching hogs as good as ever but I think she is 9

The way you layed everything out looks very good and I bet your pups will be Jam up! Good job
James

[uglydog]

Very Honored, Thank You for taking the time to lay all this out, I hope to provide You with a picture of Lucy Lou also, She and the Great Captain Morgan have been gone awhile now, but Im very proud to have You taking over their legacy and carry it forward. I can tell You know what it means to many of Us and there are a few more that should be sending You info. Much appreciated, Krystal

[Mike]

You're welcome my friend! You've got yourself a long line of proven catch dogs that I've had the pleasure to hunt behind since their beginning.

[Doggie]

I know you will do right by the dogs.  I appreciate what you are doing with them. Thank you for carrying on what we started. If you ever have questions you have my number don't hesitate to call.

[CHRIS H.]

[Americanlegendz]

I think that's a cool program.  A lot of AB people get all bent out of shape about crossing two different bull breeds together.  I think you guys have worked your dogs and just bred best to best.  Nice that you had the sense to breed nice animals.

 Curious what bulldogs are behind you Captain Morgan bulldog?  Is he hybrid or standard lines? 

Nice job hope you keep turning out working dogs and you get what your looking for out of your program. 

[Americanlegendz]

oh by the way out of all those pics I really like the doodle female.  My favorite out of your pack. 

[RyanTBH]

Good pics of Kid Chris! Thanks for putting them up.

Thanks James, Pickle is still a good looking dog, and Doodle is built like a brick chit house! Lol she is definitely a jam up dog and we appreciate you letting her come to our kennels.

Krystal, I'm glad you approve of everything and I am honored to have the dogs. So glad you put a good word in for me with James for me to get PJ.

Mike... I'm jealous! Lol but seriously, thanks from all of us to you bud... So glad we have this avenue to be able to keep record of all the dogs and what they do, and how by do it. Also, thanks for being very receptive to me and all my questions over the years... You didn't know me from Adam when I first hit you up, but it was like we knew each other already.

Thomas, I couldn't be happier to do it bud. You already know I'll be calling you at some point with some off the wall questions... Lol thanks again bud.

And to all of you, thanks for paving the way, and making room for younger up-and-comers to be able to build a decent pack of dogs, and learn from some of the best in the game. I don't think it's said enough, but all of us appreciate y'all more than you know. Keep on keeping on, and don't hesitate to holler if any of you need anything. About dogs or not.

[TheRednose]

Those sure are some good looking dogs, looks like they are working too. Good luck with your program.

[Reuben]

oh by the way out of all those pics I really like the doodle female.  My favorite out of your pack. 

I like her head and eye...but I really like that one with the patch on her left side of her face...

I also like the way the pedigree on how the dogs were bred...

in my minds eye the idea behind the amerigo  has to do with catching the best qualities from each...maybe a little more leg and refinement from the dogo...improved catching from the A. bulldog...take a little height away from the dogo...

[Semmes]

Really nice family of dogs y'all got going for sure!

Like the looks of them, even moreso the fact they seem to br working really well!

I, like Reuben, like they way the ped is stacked...
 
I'm with Juan, American legendz, being an ab guy as well; but not so much a purist, would like to know the breeding behind captan Morgan and fat Jessie as well.

No matter what the ingredients... Looks like y'all got a good cake rising

[RyanTBH]

oh by the way out of all those pics I really like the doodle female.  My favorite out of your pack. 

I like her head and eye...but I really like that one with the patch on her left side of her face...

I also like the way the pedigree on how the dogs were bred...

in my minds eye the idea behind the amerigo  has to do with catching the best qualities from each...maybe a little more leg and refinement from the dogo...improved catching from the A. bulldog...take a little height away from the dogo...

Ruben, you nailed it IMO... I like qualities from both breeds. Once I found out what they were I was hooked... I love the looks of the dogo and the AB, but I did my research as well and found out their hunting abilities as well. The wind and leg the working dogo brings is my kicker... The catching ability and mouth of the AB were another. As we try to move the breed further and further I will be considering everything from nose to leg to wind to catching ability and to bottom. I want a dog that I can trust to cut loose from 150-200 if we are on a runner/walker and shut it down, but know that it can handle it and not quit until I get there to lend a hand... But after all that's said, I also want a dog that I can trust with my kid and trust to be a family dog as well as work to the best of all its abilities. 

And thanks about PJ. That's my girl... I trust her with my life for sure... Been to battle now with her quite a few times. I love that dog!

And Americanlegendz, thanks for the kind words on our program. I love Doodle as well. She is a fast, hard catch hog machine... If I'm being honest she has the best disposition out of all the white dogs we have. Really good temperament and really smart. She's becoming a great mother and still has all 6 pups. I will post more pics of the pups to this post as time goes on... As well as any other crosses that we make. I appreciate everyone's comments, but am really hoping some folks will come forward with pics/stories of the other Amerigo out of this line.

[Semmes]

If I may ask....

I'd like to know as well any pitfalls or downsides any of you have experienced from the cross?

No breed is all on 100%, esp, when crossing 'breeds' for working traits solely.

There has to be a bit of a cull factor.

Seems the further away from the original battle crossed dogs you get into line breeding some of these things may reat up.

Any glaring red flags or genetic type stuff come up that y'all are trying to pinpoint and breed away from?

[RyanTBH]

Really nice family of dogs y'all got going for sure!

Like the looks of them, even moreso the fact they seem to br working really well!

I, like Reuben, like they way the ped is stacked...
 
I'm with Juan, American legendz, being an ab guy as well; but not so much a purist, would like to know the breeding behind captan Morgan and fat Jessie as well.

No matter what the ingredients... Looks like y'all got a good cake rising

Thank you sir... And I'm like both of you, and have asked Krystal about both Lucy Lou and Captain Morgan about the history and bloodlines of both. Unfortunately I can't comment on either of them at this point in time. I just know they were very respected dogs and worked very well, to the point that Krystal and Thomas decided to start something with the both of them. But I can promise them and this board that only the best to best will get bred. We seem to have a decent prospect for an outcross once we need it out of good bloodlines. But I think the breeding I'm looking forward to the most is taking the Cotton x PJ crossed dog Ice that Aaron and Courtney own back to Doodle. That would make the 7th gen of Amerigo... And after speaking with James and Krystal is the icing on he cake for the breed, and would most certainly need to be out crossed after that if they make the cut.

[Semmes]

So no skin issues, hearing issues, dysplasia, entropia etc which plague both breeds?

[RyanTBH]

So far nothing I've seen bad honestly... Hearing, skin, ect out of all the dogs/pups we've had have been great... I'm hoping it continues. I've seen Cotton in his old age, haven't got to hunt with him, but he seems to be getting around pretty well for I think he's 12? Thomas/Krystal correct me if I'm wrong please...

[Semmes]

These are just honest questions...
 
Not potshots...

I been round ab's fer while. And just embarked on similar scheme battle cross but my choice was to a 'gamebred' pibull (to go with current definition tho it was out of hog catching stock up close). ...and in the F-1 of the three that made it I have three distinct dif dogs.

One being really nice size and physically, and really good in the pack and on hogs at just over a year old.

One being a physical powerhouse and big and blocky but a bit hot if ya know what I mean but good on hogs and game and really just wants to bite something

One being kinda smaller and little slower to turn on, may be her environ also tho as its dif from other two, she more a family dog

[Semmes]

Game meaning other different  animals not other dogs... Just to clarify.