Rough dogs video

[Judge peel]

That's where a good vest comes in. Any dog can get killed by any decent boar at any time. You as the handler need to be smart bout how you pair your dog up its just common sense really


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[l.h.cracker]

I like caught hogs and like I said they don't bay often even on big boars in the 250# range like Judge I hunt them appropriately and pair them up with other ruff dogs. A loose dog that will not help catch can get a single ruff dog in trouble but my buddy has a loose dog and when we run a couple ruff dogs with her it works out pretty good.Dogs are gonna get cut sometimes and I'm sure that the ruff ones get cut more than the loose.Some have never barked at a hog in their life so I can't say that I like them to bay so they don't get killed I like them to know how to handle a hog so they don't get killed.It's luck of the draw and if they die in battle that is where they were meant to go I guess we try and protect them the best we can and get to them to help as fast as possible.

[Semmes]

I got a pretty rough dog too.

There are members of this board that can attest to the fact.

He bay one by himself, albeit in a gritty fashion, but as soon as nother dog show up he catching. ....no mayter how big. He got many a scar to proove it but he is pretty smart as well being that he is 10 or so.

I cringe if its just him and a loose dog on a hog.  But honestly I hooe it's how he goes out one day and will hunt him until he can't no more. I just don't think I'd ever be able to put him down even tho it came easy for others. I want him to go out like the dog he is...a warrior.

Back to the vid tho.

There wasn't one bark, locator or bay bark in that vid.

Those dogs used to working to kill. Be it a pen or woods, really can't say. But tfey was seek and destroy.

Vid sounded like Russians or sumthin. They do stuff bit diff in most things frin other dog vids with the same or dif prey that I have seen.

Anyway....if those were mals, like was suggested, and they more than not looked to be.
Mals, and Dutch shepherds got pitbull bred in those breeds and this is fact just from more drive, grit and 'game' qualities when working man then the German shepherd.

They as a breed are not your average German shep Herder and were purpose bred and selected using pit crosses from way back at inception and the hardest representatives not to be.

....no wonder there was no barking imo

Do I believe they make great hunting dogs...probably not but if you wanna kill something animal or human tge are prob more than adequate.

And then you got prior conditioning and training in play. Like others have said this was whole pack of dogs and if they have worked ,like in the vid, that way their whole lives then I bet any size hig would prob meat the same end with them. 

Don't have nuthin to do with checking each of em oil individually because this is obliviously how these folks use their animals

[Semmes]

In a side note....I did like the bulldog.

It caught like a bulldog. Did a damn fine job. Held its grip throughout. Anchored the hog while the herders ran around biting and regripping and pretty much controlled the hog throughout even when some the mals looked gassed and took breather well after hog was dead  at the end the bulldog was in hold and dragging the whole lot lol

[Semmes]

That would be the one dog I'd like to see oil checked without 5 other gritty dogs in hog as well as that would matter more to the way we hunt in the US. I have no interest in running a pack of mals and basically feeding it to the figs cause it's good for nuthin else after they done with it. Not as quite as sporting as we roll here

[oconee]

Alligator dogs that pile a hog on sight with company are not near as hard to find as dogs that will find hogs and bay them until the catch dogs get there.    Its been my experience that a guy can catch a ton of hogs with rough dogs as long as they don't run out of the country and catch a bad boar a couple miles from you.    Thats when the damage is done because it takes a long time to get to your dogs.    I'll stick with bay-dogs and bottom!  Catchdogs are not that much trouble to lead and I can hold the fight off until I get there.   This RCD rage over the last 10 years is nothing more than a "cop-out" style of hunting by guys that got tired of their dogs quitting and coming back in 10 minutes.   Its easier to grab them than it is to bay them because if they break you probably won't ever see the hog again.   I could care less if I catch the hog, I want to see my dogs preform good dogwork, we just got thru watching 5 mutts and a fat bulldog "catch a hog",  WOW, thats not that impressive when you think about it.   To each his own and everyone's ideal of "good dogwork" is different but I would have a hard time calling them dogs in that video "hog dogs" even tho they obviously had one caught.

[Semmes]

Even tho I took the long way around, I see it the same way as you oconee.

Maybe that was list in my plunkin at the keys

[Semmes]

Ooops....never mind....just watched vid again and maybe bulldog did change holds couple times and do little rebiting. Not too very much tho considering it wasn't much of a fight with all them dogs and eventually a dead hog.

Not very sporting. But that's why I'd like to see that bulldog oil checked more than others...couldn't care less bout the others

[Reuben]

Alligator dogs that pile a hog on sight with company are not near as hard to find as dogs that will find hogs and bay them until the catch dogs get there.    Its been my experience that a guy can catch a ton of hogs with rough dogs as long as they don't run out of the country and catch a bad boar a couple miles from you.    Thats when the damage is done because it takes a long time to get to your dogs.    I'll stick with bay-dogs and bottom!  Catchdogs are not that much trouble to lead and I can hold the fight off until I get there.   This RCD rage over the last 10 years is nothing more than a "cop-out" style of hunting by guys that got tired of their dogs quitting and coming back in 10 minutes.   Its easier to grab them than it is to bay them because if they break you probably won't ever see the hog again.   I could care less if I catch the hog, I want to see my dogs preform good dogwork, we just got thru watching 5 mutts and a fat bulldog "catch a hog",  WOW, thats not that impressive when you think about it.   To each his own and everyone's ideal of "good dogwork" is different but I would have a hard time calling them dogs in that video "hog dogs" even tho they obviously had one caught.

some folks like a pack of dogs that will catch in 3/8th of a mile or quit and come back and try another hog...most of those type of dogs are culls to me...they usually don't have the nose to take a track unless it is smoking hot...

[l.h.cracker]

Rcd rage in the last 10yrs... I run Florida cracker Curs that have been this way before there were hog dogs  or cow dogs in texas they're the originals not the rage.I to like to watch my dogs work and just because they might get the job done in a faster more efficient manner don't mean they aren't doing work.I wasn't bashing a good bay dog just don't have to many.That don't mean I can't appreciate your style of hunting hogs but it damn sure was started by crackers and their ruff dogs.

[Semmes]

The dig I spoke of will take a track....albeit a moderately hot one (he's a catahoula not a hound after all) and stick a race couple miles or so even tho he getn up there and some prior injuries catching up with him with age. But it's a real pleasure watchin dogs in the GPS and following and listening and trying to decide what dog if any amongst our group to send to stop the race and bay the hog. No matter which dif struck it.

Do we send another couple rough dogs to the bay of a rough dog?

Do we send another loose dog or couple rougher dogs to tge loose dogs bay?

Or do we just get close and walk in bulldogs....?

This is the sport I love.

I like to catch hogs but I'm happy just to shoot the chit strategize and spend a wknd morn with friends and the kids ...and maybe do little work in the process

[Reuben]

I like a good nose for trailing and winding...I also like to run 5 or6 dogs that will catch a big boar but be smart about it...I like them to be smart enough to let go and bay as long as it knows not to break and try running...and when I get there I have the choice to give the command to catch or to make them back up for a well placed shot...running one dog will be one that will bite enough to stop the hog and then back up and bay...

sometimes one of these type of dogs will learn how to work a big boar and do some damage on the hog without getting any cuts...

what I did not like about these dogs is that they become bay busters in the thick brush on account the hog can maneuver and run in the thick briars and of course the dogs are at a disadvantage...have to depend on bottom to bring these to bay...

[Reuben]

The dig I spoke of will take a track....albeit a moderately hot one (he's a catahoula not a hound after all) and stick a race couple miles or so even tho he getn up there and some prior injuries catching up with him with age. But it's a real pleasure watchin dogs in the GPS and following and listening and trying to decide what dog if any amongst our group to send to stop the race and bay the hog. No matter which dif struck it.

Do we send another couple rough dogs to the bay of a rough dog?

Do we send another loose dog or couple rougher dogs to tge loose dogs bay?

Or do we just get close and walk in bulldogs....?

This is the sport I love.

I like to catch hogs but I'm happy just to shoot the chit strategize and spend a wknd morn with friends and the kids ...and maybe do little work in the process

x2...on the strategy and theorizing and where to hunt and how to hunt based on sign and wind direction etc...

[l.h.cracker]

I to would never own a dog that can't run a track and mine have enough stick to get the job done. Just because a dog is ruff doesn't mean they have no bottom. It's not uncommon for them to run a hog a couple hrs before stopping it.

[l.h.cracker]

This is why this sport is so great the constant thought of dogs and hunting strategy and the future of your pack. Which direction you want to take it and how to improve it.Its long term plans and dreaming of them coming to fruition. There truly is no right or wrong way as long as it suits you.

[Semmes]

Something we don't do enough of if cast wind direction.

We barely consider it most times.

We hunt sign in thick cutovers for the most part.

I think we should prob start paying attention. To that more next year after dear season within my group.

We tend to strike and then plan on the fly lol

....but I know wind and the scent traveling is prob the biggest factor for dogs when they are downwind. Sometimes we ignore dogs winding on the hood or rack to get to the spot we usually find sign or the club members we hunt for want to drop.

This is a thing we have to correct because sometimes the dogs fo back to that spot anyway but by then the hogs got their nikes on. ESP considering we will be having more high powered nose bred dogs in our pack next year.....

....that last was for my partners more than anything cause I know they peeping in here and there lol

[Judge peel]

I like dogs that get it done. Some say if the dog won't run a hog 5 miles or stay hooked for 5 hrs it's not a hog dog lol this is stupid. And people say open silent rough loose. Makes no difference to me I got all of the above. If your in it run hogs for miles then that kinda dog is for you if you want to catch the hog right fast then that dogs for you. And how the hell is a rcd a cop out way of hunting that's the stupidest thing I have heard. The goal for most is to catch the hog and that does it so i don't get the rest of this none since


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[l.h.cracker]

I always hunt the wind. The wind direction determines where I start and what direction I head.The dogs really shine when you point em in the wind lol.

[Judge peel]

I don't pay much attention to the wind I try to hunt in to it when I can. But the winds moving the dog can turn and the wind swirls so I don't give it much thought don't run tracks ether set any decent dog on a fairly fresh track and they will do something I think to many guys put there efforts in all this and it really comes down to this if the dog has the hogs number you if not you lose ain't much in the middle


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[TheRednose]

I am going to have to disagree with you Oconee, I know you have a lot of fine dogs and I am not trying to bash anyone but I don't believe for one second if a dog can get it done quick that is not a good dog. I just believe its a different style from yours and I guess my philosophy is a little different than yours too in that fact that when you say "I could care less if I catch the hog, I want to see my dogs preform good dogwork"  if you can't catch hogs than it aint good dog work in my opinion. Now that is not to be taken out of context as like I have stated before I know you have some really fine dogs and catch a lot of hogs but having a dog chase a hog for hours on end is not the only type of good dog work.

Where I live we have much smaller spots to hunt and if you want to be respectful of other peoples property lines you can't have these marathon races you talk about. After seeing my buddy have to call his dogs back or having to head them off to keep from getting in trouble and losing more hogs than we catch it made me change my whole outlook on it. That is just my two cents.