Rough dogs video

[Shotgun wg]

I have ran rough dogs a while now. I am putting a pack of loose dogs together now. My rough dogs will catch one fast at times and others I have seen them run one 4hrs before catching it. I do know there are instances and places where I am better off with loose dogs. If they cross the river on me it can take 1 to 2 hours to get to them. That is not a spot for a rough dog. I think each has its place and learning the places best suited for ur situation or style is probly the best thing u can do.


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[liefalwepon]

I to would never own a dog that can't run a track and mine have enough stick to get the job done. Just because a dog is ruff doesn't mean they have no bottom. It's not uncommon for them to run a hog a couple hrs before stopping it.

if they run a hog that long before stopping it, how long are they caught on a hog for? How long can a pack of RCD hold a big hog for? I know it depends on the hog, but lets hear some experiences. Id like to hear judges opinion on this too. I have one proven RCD and a few up and comers. Im trying to figure out what the best way to run them is and what I should be expecting from some good RCDs. We can run 3 dogs by law out here(per person), so im limited. Should I be only running short range dogs this way, so they dont get gassed before I can get to them and end up killed?

[l.h.cracker]

I hunt a couple nights a week year round so they're conditioned. I have had a single dog hold a 250# hog for an hour and a half and many times in 30-45 min range.I am always nervous when a single dog is on a hog for extended periods of time and try to run a couple at a time but when each dog will strike and prefer to take their own you run into single dogs on hogs.Many times we have to split up and go to multiple catches at the same time.if hunting with 3 other people I like to have 4 dogs on the ground in hopes that they'll pair up and many times they do but if there's only a couple of us hunting I like to run 2  so that we don't have to split up as often and can help at the catch.I do have 2 that bay a large hog but catch as soon as another dog is present they have some good Grit I wouldn't mind a loose dog just have to be careful who's on the ground with it. I just recently as in this summer started leading a bulldog just to throw a fresh dog in before we get there as an insurance policy during the heat but come winter they'll be running as well.Just because a dog isn't baying doesn't mean that the other dogs within reason can't hear what's going on so a loose running bulldog  helps in my opinion.The only thing is your bulldog starts to strike as well but I like caught hogs so if they strike one and hang it than I like that to.

[oconee]

I to would never own a dog that can't run a track and mine have enough stick to get the job done. Just because a dog is ruff doesn't mean they have no bottom. It's not uncommon for them to run a hog a couple hrs before stopping it.

How do you avoid loosing these rough dogs if its "not uncommon for them to run a hog a couple hrs before stopping it." ?   Its been my experience that when dogs start catching bad boars and I can't get there in a hurry they usually take a beating.

And by the way in one post your dogs "get the job done in a faster more efficient manner" and now "its not uncommon for them to run a hog a couple hrs"    Your killing me. Ha ha ha.       I'm not challenging your hunting style, it just never worked for me up here where the hog numbers are thin and they.run hard.   If you can't remember your last trip to the woods without a hog strike it will be hard to understand how frustrating it is to watch a couple rough mutts scatter a set of hogs all over the country then come back in 15 minutes.    We hunt days sometimes in my country so when we find a track, we need a cold nose to trail that hog up and enough bottom to stay with him if he runs.   

[Judge peel]

No matter the distance the dog goes and the hog is not bayed and the dog comes back the dog quit period. Now that being said I don't hold it against the dog if he gave it his best. But not stopping in general is more of a hound trust not a cur trait. A cur will come off reboot and try again a hound is not programmed like that. So kinda stupid to compare the two make no sence


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[oconee]

Judge NOONE said anything about hound/cur!   If you haven't seen curs that would stay hooked like hounds then thats your problem and just because yours won't damn sure doesn't mean they all won't.   I've seen plenty of curs with tons of bottom, its all in where you set your expectations.   If a guy expects his dogs (hounds or curs) to quit and come back and allows it to be acceptable then I bet anyone can guess what kind of dogs he has.    It all works different in different areas and different styles of dogs can produce pork under certain conditions.   All I'm sayin is, I've never had good luck with rough packs around here.    The rough packs that I've seen with bottom didn't hold up well after being caught for long periods of time while the owners walked to them and the rough packs that quit and came back don't work because each strike is valuable around here.    Having said that I can clearly see where them alligators could produce some serious numbers in an area over-run with hogs and roads where you could catch them all right in the bar ditch or let the run off and find another.

[l.h.cracker]

The places I hunt the hogs aren't that thick and they run everytime if my dogs get a chance to stop them than they're done.Quickly and efficiently and if they have to run them for a couple hrs to get them to stop then they do that but most of the time when they find them they stop them.I hunt all over with my set of dogs and get the job done and I can guarantee that I can come to your house and do the same.I promise your hogs ain't no different than every other hog my alligators whooped.Your just ignorant to the fact that your way ain't the only way. Most of the places I hunt people run deer dogs and the hogs definitely run but my dogs most of the time shut them down. The reason I don't loose dogs is because I don't sit in a truck and wait for a bark I go to my dogs wherever they go period. Even when they run a hog for awhile very rarely does a hog just run a straight line they run for thick then bust out make a loop cross water hit thick again cross water again most of the time they don't get more than a mile or so as the crow flies even if it took 5 giant loops and bends to get there that takes  a couple hrs when I know they're running one I stay in pursuit as well and know where the hogs are gonna try and shake them.You speak of expectations and I expect my dogs to get the job done that means start to finish.You said ruff dogs didn't work maybe you had the wrong blood maybe they weren't bred to handle the situation you were putting them in. These dogs have been bred to work all day everyday in 97° heat and handle large quary with control.Like I previously stated I have nothing against a good bay dog just don't really have to many.I do have a problem with one track minded ignorant sh@t talkers though.

[Judge peel]

Cracker I just erased what I was going to post when I read what you said. That is the truth I been told by that guy and other that I can't catch hogs where they hunt that is total BS. If it's a hog it can be caught. The people that say that just do so to make them selfs feel better they can all go sit on a greased pole in there under pants for all I care HATERS going to hate no matter what you bro


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[liefalwepon]

Nuthin wrong with a heated debate. So judge and cracker, since youre two of the more outspoken few on here that run RCDs, what breeds are your best dogs? I know you guys got pits and cracker obviously has some cracker curs and bulldogs. I just want to be clear on whats working best for RCDs. I know other guys on here run bully lurchers successfully. And are you running RCDs with a dog that has a better nose, or do yours have good noses, can they run older tracks or just hot to warm?

[Judge peel]

Liefaweapon    I am not that out spoken bout any style form or fashion I just say what I think. I own one pit bull don't have any with pit bull in them. I have curs. I have a dogs with ok nose and with well above average bottom and straight catch curs and a few loose dogs not set on any one style of dog. I have some fl blood but they are not my roughest dogs. I do what works the better you diverse your approach in any thing the better you will be at the end goal. There is not any one person on here that knows everything. And every one that has said you can't do that hear ain't sent me any address to go meet them at. Talk is cheap on the internet that is a fact


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[Judge peel]

I don't use rcd when you say catch dog that to me is a different animal I have curs that catch big difference


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[oconee]

Well guys I guess ya'll told me.   Judge I have invited you so I guess its only polite to let cracker know hes welcome here too.   I never said you guys can catch a damn hog where I hunt.   You see its not just about catching a hog, its about putting a high precentage dogs on the ground.    Let me ask an honest question.   What happens when your rough dogs run a hog a couple miles away and catches a boar weighing about 250lb with a couple inches hangin out?  An I don't have any clue what your talking about with all that hogs "running loops" bs.   When I say "run one a couple miles" , I mean they will litetally be 2-4 maybe 6-10 miles away when they catch.   Now I guess you run vest but tell me what happens in this seniero because my experience is very bad.  If my dogs catch a big boar I want to be there, they can stretch all the shoats they want but I can't have mine jumping on good boars miles away.

[Judge peel]

Ya you invited me as you pretended to want a dog box I had for sale then flipped the scrip say how I couldn't do it where you are but I never did get that address. I never stay that far behind my dogs and when they catch I usely tie or stab the hog. Lol this is starting to be funny keep on coming I know you will blow a gasket soon


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[oconee]

No gasket blowing here in fact the statement about you not stayin far behind your dogs says all I need to know.   You are welcome anytime, in fact anyone is.   I'm really not that much of a butt I just have strong opinions.   We may not get after a hog every night but if anyone want to come hunt, come on.  It don't have to be an "ax to grind thing" we can just have a good time and maybe catch a hog.    (580) 258-0206 if your looking for trouble don't bother but call if you want to hunt.

[Judge peel]

Man I am proud of you brother you blow up that is a good thing I am saving your numer in my phone I would like to take you up on that offer. Me staying close to my dogs doesn't say anything other than we stay close as in less than a 1/2 mile some nights  few hundred yards no shame in my game my dogs are short range


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[Judge peel]

Didn't lol


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[l.h.cracker]

As I said when my dogs are running a hog I am in pursuit of them they usually don't get more than a mile from me and I will put a mile down no problem when I know they're caught. And if you ain't never seen a hog run a loop and don't know the areas that they go to loose dogs then you ain't paying attention. Never had a hog make it 10 miles from me there ain't 10 miles of legal property anywhere I hunt.Hogs don't make it that far my dogs shut them down. Where are you located Oconee?If I'm ever your way I'd love to drop my ruff mutts with you.It sounds like you're saying that we don't have toothy rank boars here in Fl now and all we do is stretch shoalts when they run a big toothy boar in the 250+ range they whoop him to I guess that even though it's been going on down here since the 1800's it is new to you.

Lifealweapon I have a mixed batch of Cambell Cur dogs and Fl Cur dogs.Like Judge said I have Curs that catch and my Rcds are large leggy pits and a bulldog cross that I found on the side of the road long legged 75-95# dogs.two are 7 and one is 5 so they've managed to make it thus far.

[oconee]

Cracker your depressing to debate with.   WOW, I never said you don't have rank boars in Fl.  in fact you have 10x the amount we have here in Oklahoma.    What I'm saying is that them kind of hogs will cut your dogs up while your putting down that mile and I don't care how fast you think you can get there.   IF YOUR DOGS GET OUT OF POCKET AND CATCH A RANK HOG, THEY WILL SUFFER A GOOD BIT OF DAMAGE!!!   PERIOD!!      Now you can give me all this crap you want about how you stay with them and how fast you can put down a mile but I've been doing this too long.

I'm not saying nothing bad about rough packs, all I'm saying is they're gonna have more bad run-ins than my dogs.    I've been hunting a LONG time and I can easily walk out in my yard right now and load 3-4 dogs that would catch every hog they see as soon as they can get to it but I hunt them dogs seperately so they don't stay cut down all the time.    In fact what I've said from the beginning is, anyone can put together an alligator pack very easily but they're gonna stay cut up.   And on the other side of that, NOT everyone can load a dog that will trail a cold track, find that hog, and stay bayed alone as long as it takes you to lead two bulldogs to them.    Therefore its my opinion thats the main reason a lot of guys run these alligator packs.    Is any of this making any sense to you cracker??   I know you have super dogs and thats not the case with you so I was not nesserialy talking about you if this doesn't apply.    I don't care what your style is, I been doing this long enough to understand the "pro's and con's" of both styles.   Good luck

[TheRednose]

Oconee I have an honest question for you, you run all plots if I remember correctly, isn't that right? Some real nice ones too. So I would assume due to how long the races are you speak of that you can only hunt real good size places, is that correct?

What part of OK are you around, that is where I was born and I still have family out there.

[oconee]

Eastern Oklahoma