dogo/pit cross

[TheRednose]

Hey Louie you say you don't like them from U.S. or Argentina and that you are looking to bring one in from across the pond may I ask where that would be, some where in Europe? Just curious as I had always thought the best came from Argentina.

[Semmes]

Some things just stick in your gut...ya know.

Instead of trashing someone's thread I'll post here because it fits and this thread is already on a downward spiral.

Semmes- reading back on some of Your other questions. about being "game" and "hot" If these dogs were "hot" I would Cull, I cant stand a dog that will get that way when in woods and need them to focus, the cur dogs get pissy, and need Your Bull to be level headed. My Pits I have had and all bull types have to be trustworthy around chickens cattle, and anythings on a farm environment. I believe that was original job to serve humans as a helper and be smart enough to do as needed. I think they should be bred that way again and wouldn't have so many issues

I believe bulldogs at around a year old should have to be taught what not to mess with and anything else is far game...
They are bulldogs...they are bred assassins and well should be. The if not killing this or that is not natural to them by definition and these things can be trained and focused but I was referring to a pup previous and a pup with these drives suits me just fine when talkin bulldogs.
I feel young bulldogs or bullbreeds that without guidance take it upon themselves to police and dominate their environment hold the true original temperament but by the same token should be able to curb and focus their aggression thru guidance. That is when you sort by a cull factor...

This is not for everyone, but when Your ass in a bind, this dog can choose to let go of one hog and come after the hog that's got Your ass down or a bull, or whatever is problematic, not just chase off what is running because prey drive has kicked in a tiny brain. Yes they have prey drive, but it does not always overload them as does a Pit or many ABs. Some Dogos are too smart making them too soft and need a pack environment to finish a job,

This sticks in my mind as well...

There are and have been many pits and abs that perform this function easily without dogo to add 'brain size' lol. They are documented in the news quite frequently and have much more of a track record in those areas over dogos.

And this little gem sticks with me as well...

reaches under my hens nesting and grabs snakes, and wont steal eggs or bother a bird, has enough sense to know what belongs and what don't belong and what is okay to kill and not.

To me, not owning chickens, a bulldog if mine would probably kill the chicken first, then eat the egg and that would be perfectly acceptable and expected in my world. If I owned chickens it probably wouldn't and I would expect they should be able to be trained, focused (tho begrudgingly) away from that behavior. But I would also expect by natural instinct, or 'sense', they'd leave the snake alone.... Instinctively, with the exception of some suicidal terroir breeds...

 And finally this:

As Far as health....The lack of physical limitations and the speed, I don't find necessary to do PennHip or OFA testing on these, like I do with My Catahoulas. Soundness in very important, as with every aspect in breeding dogs,

Funny statement?!?

The working bred catahoula sorts it's self by health and hips over generations. They are expected to put down myltuple miles when dogging. The two breeds referenced above when used as lead in dogs are expected to maybe do a 200yd run. And both breeds are inherently riddled with displaysia.

Just some statements I found kinda weird...     

[Semmes]

The last point was in reference to the ab and dogo breeds and hips.

Of course the pit (gamebred dogs) had a similar path as the catahoula as in performance criteria.

[Semmes]

For the record...where I'm coming from and where I've gravitated to, is from the ab/pit point of view which I believe represents more of the original, historical 'butchers dog' type temperment then the crosses of dogo/pit or dogo/ab

[Fixitlouie]

Rednose.. I don't know anybody in Argentina so I'm just another buyer. The Dogo peeps after meeting them are clickish. I don't fit in I guess.lol there is a lady in mother Russia who keeps the data base for dogo worldwide...I'm going through her to find one.. A lot of people don't know number 2 but think thay do in regards to what kennel brand is better,  ohh mine are from argentina,  mine hunt..blabla.. After talking to her she knows her number 2.. I have a nephew who speaks Russian so that helps..

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[Fixitlouie]

Blastin. . That is my point. I got a dogo as a pet. He turned out to be a good catch dog for a few years. I did not buy him as a catch dog. I did not know this world of hog dogs. You are buying catch dogs  for that intended purpose. 

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[Reuben]

Louie...if there aren't any breeders in America that raise a high percentage of Dogo catch dogs then there is something wrong with the breed as catch dogs...a catch dog is a dog that goes in with the intent to catch no matter what...he is not hot and cold...catching because the cur dogs are on the verge of catching or because it is a sow or shoat...when he faces a big bad boar alone he should every time in those situations...some folks don't understand that and that is probably one reason why it is this way in this breed...the videos I have seen from other countries are of Dogos that were not catch dogs but mainly catchy bay dogs...it takes a very brave dog to be an honest catch dog...

From your past posts I can see you like the exotic breeds which is great...the problem with those exotic breeds are there...it is hard to find what you are looking for on account not many are used for what the intentions were and very few kennels to select from...

I am willing to bet there are a few breeders in America who produce what you want...

[Fixitlouie]

I'm shure there are. . I just want something that no one else has. To me that important.  Total outside sources.  My dogo now is ken to A LOT of good dogos.. His dad is EX. Now that dog has the life. Lol I wish I could go all over the state spreading my seed...but not the child support.

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[Fixitlouie]

Also there not supposed to be catch dogs. But rather RCD that can also catch, hunt, guard the home and defend their respective family to the death if necessary. .. and I would agree that 10% do that or at least still have the ability to do that. When or if I find one that does then I'll breed him and make my own line of dogs out of hound, cur, cat, mastiff, wolf, yote.....

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[Reuben]

Also there not supposed to be catch dogs. But rather RCD that can also catch, hunt, guard the home and defend their respective family to the death if necessary. .. and I would agree that 10% do that or at least still have the ability to do that. When or if I find one that does then I'll breed him and make my own line of dogs out of hound, cur, cat, mastiff, wolf, yote.....


Ok...the thing to do is breed the white out of them...lol

I knew you liked different...I am sort of that way...it's a tough row to hoe...
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[RyanTBH]

How many dogs do you own 44mag?

[Hutch33]

There are working lines of dogos being bred in America.  They're expense and take longer to mature than the average pit, so owning a dogo is like an investment.  They were bred to be sensitive to their family and be docile in the home. They are a contradiction.  But I do believe that the "show lines" and "working lines" of dogo are becoming two very different type of dogs.  The desired look for the dogo in the show world is ruining them for what is needed in the woods.

Ok...the thing to do is breed the white out of them...lol

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[ArtHenrey]

This is him

[ArtHenrey]

Thanks! He's  seen two hog's, first he wanted damn bad second I let him on it. He loved it!! Just got to keep him moving forward and see what he's got. But so far I think I'm liking him

[ArtHenrey]

He said to be dogo/pit cross. Do you guys see it?? I'm not to familiar like I said before with the dogo.

[TheRednose]

He said to be dogo/pit cross. Do you guys see it?? I'm not to familiar like I said before with the dogo.

Yeah I definitely see it. Obviously the color, but also notice the leg he has, and you can also see the dogo in the face.

Very nice looking dog Art, I hope he ends up working out for you.

[ArtHenrey]

Appriciate it rednose, he will get his fair shot around here that's for sure!

[Reuben]

He said to be dogo/pit cross. Do you guys see it?? I'm not to familiar like I said before with the dogo.

Yeah I definitely see it. Obviously the color, but also notice the leg he has, and you can also see the dogo in the face.

Very nice looking dog Art, I hope he ends up working out for you.

x2...he should fill out a little more as well...

[make-em-squeel]

theyre good because of the pit part.  the dogo side is straight junk

based off this statement you are a moron, ive got a straight dogo (and most all of her line) that anyone who knows what a cd should be like will respect.

that said their are plenty bad in the breed, but despite what your limited experience has seen, it doesnt excuse your false blanket statement.

I love pits and ABs too but your limited knowledge should not be taken as a fact, b/c ill show you otherwise

[make-em-squeel]

Nice looking dog. Reminds me of the old pits before all the bully crap. Not going to mention who's the blame for that.

Amen, most folks now days dont know what a real pit looks like!