dogo/pit cross

[ArtHenrey]

You know, time again and again I've read your negative one the dogo breed. Just so you know, I've had plenty pits. Seen some bay there ass off in tight spots. Most the ones I've crossed were from the pound. I think out of the plenty I've had, started and used. The only one true one i have had is still sitting outside till this day. I can hear him barking now actually. Ive seen good in the bad in the pits, I've seen my fair share of pits sold that were "strait ear no regrip" but they forgot to list the first 10 barks before that other dog catches. Am I curious that this dog makes somthing. You're damn right!

[Ctown08]

The dogo i have hunted behind is a beast of a cd hard to beat.  And would leg a rhino behind her.

[RyanTBH]

Like I said never owned one. Hunted next to them about 4 times and that was enough. They're 90 pound bay dogs. Maybe 2 out of 10 do as advertised. 10 out of 10 pits make catch dogs. This dog is a beautiful dog but was crossed with pit for a reason. You bring your best dogo and I'll go to the pound and get a pit that's never seen a hog and we'll see who pops the popcorn.

so you're making all this noise about Dogos, but yet, you've not bred and raised any, you've not trained any, and you've only hunted behind 4??? So that gives you what justification to judge the breed in its entirety in a bad light? I have a cur dog I've seen catch better than some pits... Maybe it's just me, but I take a lot of pride in my dogs and I'd much rather breed, raise, train, and hunt dogs that I know where they come from and out of rather than go get some unknown dog from the pound to take to the woods. I trust my dogs... I will go into battle with my dogs, strike or CD... They are there to put their life on the line for me, and I for them. Period... You're more entitled to your opinion and to do whatever you want, but there isn't any sense in getting on here bashing an entire breed... JMO

[redriverslim]

To further complicate matters:  We would need to know what most folks think the actual definition of a "Pit" would be ?

1) Just any old 60-80 lb. "non-game bred" garden variety pitbull would fit the definition of a "pit". Example: Watchdog, Razors Egde, Camelot bred stuff.  Typical blues, blue brindles, big red nosed stuff, etc.  These usually make good catch dogs because they are gamey enough to catch and hold, but not so game that they want to fight everything.  Usually well tempered and have functional intelligence.

2) The extreme "bully" type would also fit the definition of a "pit".  Usually too low to the ground, can't breath, bow legged, no drive, etc.  Don't make good catch dogs for obvious reasons.

3) Mixed bulldog breeds that look like pits would also fit the definition of a "pit" to most people.  This could be a dogo/pit, AB/pit, even maybe a real bully, boxy headed yellow cur that had been crossed with a pit, could still look like a straight pit.  Could also make a good catch dog but be wrongly called a straight "pit".

4) True Game-Bred pits would definitely fit the definition of a "pit", and would actually be the only TRUE pitbull terrier if you want to get technical. After all, the word "pit" is in the name American Pitbull Terrier for a reason and these are the only true pitbulls. All others are watered down versions or "representatives" of what the dog was originally bred for, which was to fight in a "pit".  The true "pitbull" dos not usually make a good catch dog because they can't be socialized to coexist with the baydogs, and they usually do not catch and hold, but rather they let go of a solid ear hold and choose to fight the hog to kill it instead of hold it.   

All 4 of these examples would be considered "pits" . . . just depends on who you're asking?  I've probably owned a minimum of 500 "pits", and I couldn't even say for sure if a saw a dog from the pound that looked like a pit, if it was in fact a 100% pitbull, especially if it looked the part. 

So it begs the question . . . . WHAT IS A PIT ?  Depends on who you're asking.                 

[redriverslim]

Also . . . the true game bred pit is usually somewhere between 30 lbs. - 50 lbs., with the vast majority being somewhere between 35 - 45 lbs.  Extremes to both sides would be dogs in the 28-29 lb. range "or" dogs that go over 50 lbs.  But probably the bulk of game dogs are going to be 45 lbs. and under.  So I find it kinda ironic that the only true "pitbulls" are usually too small and have too many disadvantages to be the best catch dogs.  A better term that hog hunters might use when referring to pitbulls used primarily for catch work, would be the term "cur-bred" pits.     

[RyanTBH]

Lol you're missing my point completely... So this is where I bow out. Not here to try to convince you of anything other than you have no basis for what you're talking about. Good luck with that... Happy hunting folks, and Art, sorry for crashing your thread bud. Good luck with the dog. Good lookin for sure. Keep us updated on his progress. Over and out.

[Fixitlouie]

I think it's more of a money issue not what dog is better.. yes maby a corolla is more reliable than a viper. But if I had to choose I would drive the viper any day over a dam corolla.. but that's why I have a dogo AND a pit but hunt behind the dogo...and dam if I don't look good doing it

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[TheRednose]

I think it's more of a money issue not what dog is better.. yes maby a corolla is more reliable than a viper. But if I had to choose I would drive the viper any day over a dam corolla.. but that's why I have a dogo AND a pit but hunt behind the dogo...and dam if I don't look good doing it

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I don't think thats a fair comparison Louie. If a dogo is a viper then a American Pit Bull Terrier is like a professional monster truck lololol and when you breed them together you get super fast monster trucks hahahaha. No with all joking aside, I think the problem is they were bred for very different things and that is why you see all the crosses with Dogos like you do.  One was bred for battle and one was bred to be a jack of all trades. I feel that is why you have some Dogos that will catch so well, and some that do other things better. I think if when crossed you get the best of both worlds you could get some world beaters for catch dogs. Kind of like the BWD breeders have done. I really like how they have approached the whole thing.

[Fixitlouie]

Make perfect sense to me rednose.

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[RyanTBH]

I think it's more of a money issue not what dog is better.. yes maby a corolla is more reliable than a viper. But if I had to choose I would drive the viper any day over a dam corolla.. but that's why I have a dogo AND a pit but hunt behind the dogo...and dam if I don't look good doing it

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I don't think thats a fair comparison Louie. If a dogo is a viper then a American Pit Bull Terrier is like a professional monster truck lololol and when you breed them together you get super fast monster trucks hahahaha. No with all joking aside, I think the problem is they were bred for very different things and that is why you see all the crosses with Dogos like you do.  One was bred for battle and one was bred to be a jack of all trades. I feel that is why you have some Dogos that will catch so well, and some that do other things better. I think if when crossed you get the best of both worlds you could get some world beaters for catch dogs. Kind of like the BWD breeders have done. I really like how they have approached the whole thing.

thanks for the kind words Red! And well put as well. We didn't start it, but we will continue to try and breed best to best producing the best dogs we possibly can. I personally look for all traits that I think an all around dog should have. Personally, I expect the Amerigo to be able to do anything... Track, catch, protect, socialize and be a family dog, ect... Also looking for health and confirmation. Long straighter legs. Hard mouth. Good teeth. Good skin with no issues. Sound mind. Lots goes into those white dogs man. I'm sure when the Dogo was being created all these traits were considered as well... Same probably goes with any dog breed bred for a specific purpose. Just takes a lot of time and patients... Lol