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« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2015, 03:30:07 pm » |
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I don't have but one dog I'd call a hog dog, the rest just run amuck lookin for something to bark at.
Last year we killed around 52 hogs. We don't hunt in the spring or summer, and quit hunting from the end of Ocotober till the end of November (deer season, bow and then rifle). Most of the hogs we catch or kill are in January and February.
We mostly cast hunt our dogs, we are fortunate enough to have extremely large tracks of conservation ground to hunt with roads going around and through most of it. Now and again I head out on foot to walk some dogs into places.
As far as huntin styles, why in the world does it bother other people the way another man hunts? Walk hunt, cast hunt just get your butts out there and hunt!!
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« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2015, 04:31:04 pm » |
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Numbers never meant much to me and I'll give a couple of examples. One hunt that stands out in my mind is one where I caught 12 hogs one morning and thought the dogs looked like hammered poop. I think I could of caught hogs with my wife's housedog and if you were not there, most people would think that was one outstanding set of dogs. Other times, I've caught one hog and thought the dog or dogs performed flawlessly. I let my eyes and ears tell me how good the dogs perform and not numbers.
This is my opinion 100% and is what most people don't understand. Amount of hogs or just the fact that you catch hogs has NOTHING to do with the quality of dogs being turned loose. Every dog has his day but that day doesn't make him a hog dog. |
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Black Streak
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« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2015, 05:27:59 pm » |
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They way the auther of this thread went about it made me not want to comment on it because i didn't really have anything good to say towards his remarks and how arrogant this thread was presented. It's people like this that have caused many good dogmen on here to quite posting anything useful and also to just forget about this forum all together. Threads and attitudes like how this thread was posed has the complete opposite effect. It doesn't bring many of the laid back dog men out, rather it pushes them away. Who wants to share stories with someone so high on themselves and conceded. Forums such as this is a great way for good dog men to help others in a non biased way. But they can't do it publicly on here do to crap like this and the know it all's who seek others attention and want to be known on here as good dog men and good hog hunters because they think they are and want others to see them the way they veiw themselves. When in fact their analyzations of what's happening is mediocre at best and they are very biased to their style.
If you will look at some of the people on here that post a lot such as Judge and Cracker (just examples because they have gotten flack lately about how much they comment on here) they don't promote their way to people. Yeah they are proud of their dogs and like to share stories but they are active on here not because they are seeking a spotlight and attention but rather because they like helping others in un biased ways. They respect all styles of hog dogging like to talk about hog dogging no matter what kinda dogs you run. Pretty soon like cracker said they will get their fill of the ignorant arrogant biased know it all people on here and go away. No matter to them and the people that know them from here and communicate with them off the sight. Nothing will be lost between those people but it's the new people that lurk and read anything good they can that will suffer do to the biased know it all's that want the megaphone and for the new guys starting out to look up to them as some of the greats that have already come and gone on here.
Many things make up a good hog dogger. Good dogs are not the only thing. Some people don't need good dogs and an area thick with pigs to look good. To many people that are struggling are focused on getting good dogs when in fact they could turn their kennel and hunting grounds over to a special well rounded kinda guy and the same spots with the same dogs look easy and fruitful.
I hope the guys and gals of tomorrow that are starting out now and see this forum as of great interest and insight, see the guys such as this thread starter and s$!t starter for the glory hound wanna be spotlight craving biased fool that he is and others like him are and realize it it because of people like them that keep good people silent and off this forum. Thankfully we still have many people on here that are worth looking up to but I see so many of them going silent.
The archives is a great place to get info on and learn about the great people that have participated on this forum in years past. Many of them are extremely active hog doggers, just not active on this forum anymore do to geniuses like this thread starter, but their personal contact info is still same. I know because it's how i am now friends with several of the greats that are no longer active here. Just a little FYI for the guys that aren't worthy to comment on this thread for only the true great hog dog men of this forum.
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« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2015, 05:40:32 pm » |
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The way I went about the thread is how many hogs do you actually catch. I don't think I have the best I know of better but if I'm catching 250 a year and think my dogs are average is makes me wonder why somebody thinks that have some sho enough hog dogs and don't catch a slab of bacon and two pork chops all year long is the first two give their advice. Just like you came to comment but you want put a number on it... It's not a pissing contest and if you think it is I'm sorry. I was just looking at it as I don't need advice from someone who doesn't even catch hogs.. I mean look at some of this threads on here. Like breeding to coyotes and junk like be for real
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« Reply #64 on: October 12, 2015, 06:05:09 pm » |
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Good post Black Streak...
I think most can spot a chest thumping, chit starter by just the tone of the topic he started...
Ain't nobody got to quantify their catches, or qualify their dogs to nobody but themselves...
If you do it just takes the fun right out of the sport.
Thruth is there is no perfect hogdog for every person in every spot every time.
If you like your dogs and they satisfy you and you have fun with them and family and friends in your time away from the grind then your doin right.
If a person ain't and they expect more then they will move a different direction of their own accord. Ain't nobody's right to say what brings someone else joy is not just right for that person...
That's Forrest's thoughts on the matter and that's all I got to say bout that
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« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2015, 06:09:14 pm » |
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I really don't see how a number makes the dogs better that is ridiculous. If you drop your dogs and in no time flat have a few hogs caught lets say 3 then there was more than likely 10 times that amount there. I am more concerned with catching the one they start and the dog goes and finds a hog and I don't have to drop on a track take into the wind bla bla bla. You don't have to have many yrs doing something to be good but time In service does ad to you knowledge in a over all manor. Some times I think fellas are just to set in one way of thinking.
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« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2015, 06:46:03 pm » |
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It's not about numbers but it's hard not to make it about numbers when that comes to experience. If I have a 10 month old pup that's been on a 100 hogs but yet you have a 2 year old that hasn't been but on 50. It would be hard for me to think that 2 year old is much smarter if he hasn't been on near as many hogs. Dogs get better with what? Age and experience. So if that dog ain't getting experience of being on a hog then what is he learning?
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« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2015, 06:50:03 pm » |
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Mental toughness is essential in life as it is in hog dogs. Anyone who gets thier feeling hurt on these sites might be culls themselves. Many of us have STRONG OPINIONS anf will not back off those OPINIONS for anyones insecurity.
Another thing about these sites is that different mindsets towards hog hunting with dogs. Several guys I see post about having fun and just catching a hog. Guys, I could care less about catching a hog or having fun if my dogs don't preform to a high level. The funny part about this is the guys that say they hunt for fun are the most sensitive on here. One thing I take great pride in is the fact that I know EXCATLY what a TOP-SHELF hog dog looks like and the guys I've hunted with in my life know that too. The kind of dog I consider TOP-SHELF will bay and produce hogs ANYWHERE, and that is not an OPINION!
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« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2015, 06:51:29 pm » |
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I guess all I'm saying is the dog will never reach is full potential by only keeping him on a handful of hogs a year...i assure in not bragging about 200 hogs a year around hear thats just typical. Figured Texas would have more hogs then bama.
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« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2015, 06:52:06 pm » |
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I do the things I do for me and mine. Nobody else. I enjoy being in the woods with the dogs. I like the fact that they'll take out and hunt. When they fall treed on the garmin and I walk 500 yards to grab a dog by the tail and yank him out of a armadillo hole. Oh well. I correct that joker and try again. I honestly believe that if I was thick with hogs i would catch a heck of alot more. My dogs know what a hog is and they love it. They'll get one in the woods alot of times. I'll never catch 500 a year. But thats okay. I feel proud to know that I worked some dogs hard enough in these hit and miss woods that they'll even get after a pig. Its tough where I am for sure. I could probably find better spots but around here its hard to find big property. Nobody owns 5000 acre ranches around here. I aint the trespassing type and wont drop my dogs on 25 acres thats eat up with hogs. No way. Id have to steal trail cameras and all like them outlaws do it. I don't want to have my picture taken with a miller lite and a bulldog. Hahaha...  its tough around here. I have one real good spot in florida but heck its a 6 hour ride. Cant do that 3 times a week. Plus I wont lie...alligators and moccasins scare the CRAP out of me!! And that place is LOADED WITH THEM !! |
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Take your kids hunting and you wont have to hunt your kids
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« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2015, 07:02:24 pm » |
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Ok if a dog worked twice as hard to find those 50 hog and bayed twice as long as the other dog before the hog was caught bout the same to me. If not better just a thought tho. I went on a hunt with a friend one time he has a good plot dog. We dropped him my two of my dogs. The hound and my lead dog took a track straight off went 11 miles and 4 and 1/2 hrs till they bayed that boar. Mean while my other dog bayed and caught 3 on the way to the other dogs. And we where walking at one point the two dogs where 3.75 miles away. Now I call all three dogs hog dogs. I was just as happy with each dog and guess what we had fun
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« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2015, 07:30:22 pm » |
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I will answer your question Judge. If the dog that bayed the 3 closer hogs couldn't have bayed the hog the others bayed then he's not in their class IMO because it stands to reason they could've bayed the 3 hogs themselves if they hadn't gotten unlucky and getting on the runner. JMO
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« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2015, 07:31:22 pm » |
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I hope the guys and gals of tomorrow that are starting out now and see this forum as of great interest and insight, see the guys such as this thread starter and s$!t starter for the glory hound wanna be spotlight craving biased fool that he is and others like him are and realize it it because of people like them that keep good people silent and off this forum. Thankfully we still have many people on here that are worth looking up to but I see so many of them going silent.
Glory hound and chit starter? No I'm just calling it like I see it and what I see is I'll catch more hogs in two years then you do in a decade. Your the one that I posted this thread for glad you came to visit and not put a number on it. Bc this was the point I was looking for. I simply state what i catch just like the others and yet I'm the chest beater bc I caught the most? That's not the point I was making I guess the point I'm making to any of the readers is watch who you take advice from bc they probably don't catch anything. My post came off as arrogant bc i just came out and asked ok guys lets here the numbers instead of reading 10 pages how my new finder holder is so awesome and can't smell a dang biscuit Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #73 on: October 12, 2015, 07:43:33 pm » |
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Oconee I will some what agree with what you said but just different style of dog that dog that got three was on the same track just pulled off on something hotter or something the hog ran them thru. Is she as good as the other two probly not but she can and will find her own pig and has found over the other two on different hunts so in her own right she gets it done. I know you like your dogs to run em a long distance I don't prefer that but I like to have a dog that gives you that option. What I was getting at is number of hogs don't matter as much as the quality of work and I know you will agree with that my friend
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« Reply #74 on: October 12, 2015, 07:53:12 pm » |
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The way I went about the thread is how many hogs do you actually catch. I don't think I have the best I know of better but if I'm catching 250 a year and think my dogs are average is makes me wonder why somebody thinks that have some sho enough hog dogs and don't catch a slab of bacon and two pork chops all year long is the first two give their advice. Just like you came to comment but you want put a number on it... It's not a pissing contest and if you think it is I'm sorry. I was just looking at it as I don't need advice from someone who doesn't even catch hogs.. I mean look at some of this threads on here. Like breeding to coyotes and junk like be for real
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You kept sighting the views on your thread and lack of posts as justification that most people suck on here. I read your first post and was gonna comment on your question but when I read the rest of the BS that you followed it up with on your following posts, i didn't feel like I needed to endulge you. |
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« Reply #75 on: October 12, 2015, 07:54:16 pm » |
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Judge I don't like my dogs to run hogs a long ways but they need to be able to if need be. By the way that dog didn't "get pulled off on something hotter." I will tell you what she done if you can take it?
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« Reply #76 on: October 12, 2015, 07:54:49 pm » |
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The thread probably wouldn't of got off track if people could of just answered the question instead of some of the more regular posters whining about how what does numbers have to do with anything and how do you know I have chit eaters. I figured people would just post numbers not freak out and get their feelings hurt. It was a simple question how many hogs do you catch a year. I was just looking for numbers not sad stories about people have shi77y places to hunt
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« Reply #77 on: October 12, 2015, 07:56:06 pm » |
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JUST TELL.US HOW MANY YOU CATCH BLACK STREAK!!! Man, the suspension is killing me.
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« Reply #78 on: October 12, 2015, 07:59:04 pm » |
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Lmao
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« Reply #79 on: October 12, 2015, 08:02:14 pm » |
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Oconee what you say has no bearing on what happened or what you think happened. I know exactly what you are going to say. You always try to find away to be superior or to know everything lol. I know this with most certainty you are one hell of a smart ass
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