For the ones that have hog dogs

[Slim9797]

None of them have said you catch hogs only because you have good places! They're saying if you took the same pack of dogs you have, to a place the same size with half the population, of hogs. Your gonna see a decrease in numbers of hogs caught. It's ain't quantum physics

[Judge peel]

I didn't see any one say ten hogs or less I missed it. I never said some one only catches hogs cuz they have a good spot to hunt. And if a fella only catch 4 and he like to work his dog and enjoys it when he does it hats off. I guess if your into making it about the number then your on your way to accomplish that I don't care bout the numbers even tho I wright them down its for me to look back on to see how the dogs are improving with in themselves. You remind me of my buddy that always has to be the best and it's always his dog lol


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[hansonw]

If you ain't got dogs worth a damn you ain't going to go to a loaded place and were them out. You still need a decent dog I don't give a chit where your hunting


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[oconee]

All these guys that don't expect their dogs to run a hog if it runs have better spots than I do.    I have decent spots but I have heard guys say "we can find another faster than we bay up a runner"   lol its not that way around here.     Also read stories about quitting dogs coming back and baying hogs close to the truck because it didn't stay with the original hog.     That won't work either so I can see where high densities will make what some would cull acceptable to others.

[oconee]

The most I ever caught in one day was 11 grown hogs.   That was the first year I hunter in 1995 and boy did I think I was a hog huntin sum bitch.   Ha ha ha.        I would not feed ONE dog on that hunt now!     Perception is everything.     Simple as that, what you've seen and how you perceive it.    I've seen ALOT of dogs find, bay, and catch hogs in my life and I have a DAMN good ideal of what I consider a dog that does it in a manner that will work ANYWHERE he's turned loose.    Good spot, bad spot, thick terrain, running hogs, chump hogs that don't run, dry conditions, wet conditions, ANYWHERE!!    Not just where the hogs are thick.

[Judge peel]

I like runners have caught them with good success and some with no success. It's the dream we all live for chase that one pig down that the others can't catch and we all have our idea of what works the distance a hog runs in most cases that I have seen is relevant to the dog that's on it fast gritty dog that will bay after that they tend to stop faster or bay along the way a few times. Where as a slower dog will just have to hold off till the hog stops


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[Bo Pugh]

All these guys that don't expect their dogs to run a hog if it runs have better spots than I do.    I have decent spots but I have heard guys say "we can find another faster than we bay up a runner"   lol its not that way around here.     Also read stories about quitting dogs coming back and baying hogs close to the truck because it didn't stay with the original hog.     That won't work either so I can see where high densities will make what some would cull acceptable to others.

oconee i dont have great spots to hunt their moslty all cut overs and so thick you have to get on your belly going in and crawl and slide or drive the forwheeler. i never hardly get to see a hog before i send the catch dog but i usually have seen his track a few times where he crossed a road. but when i do turn on a track in the road i have a high percentage of catching in withing the next couple hours somewhere, alot of times it will be way from where i started but if i fed quiters id be only catching 30,40,50. i have a place i can hunt by my house about 3000 acres i usually just take young dogs here and i dont even take a bulldog with me cause if i sent one to them bayed id have to go in there its terrible country, i usually just leave them bayed and go back home and check them on the tracker every so often to see if they moved and i dont count them hogs in my tally. but dogs quiting and just coming back to the fourwheeler and stumbling up on a hog is not very likely to happen over here, it might would if i had some " finders Grabbers" but i just have cur dogs. some people will except flaws in a dog because they like it as a pet instead of a hunting dog

[Black Streak]

All these guys that don't expect their dogs to run a hog if it runs have better spots than I do.    I have decent spots but I have heard guys say "we can find another faster than we bay up a runner"   lol its not that way around here.     Also read stories about quitting dogs coming back and baying hogs close to the truck because it didn't stay with the original hog.     That won't work either so I can see where high densities will make what some would cull acceptable to others.

oconee i dont have great spots to hunt their moslty all cut overs and so thick you have to get on your belly going in and crawl and slide or drive the forwheeler. i never hardly get to see a hog before i send the catch dog but i usually have seen his track a few times where he crossed a road. but when i do turn on a track in the road i have a high percentage of catching in withing the next couple hours somewhere, alot of times it will be way from where i started but if i fed quiters id be only catching 30,40,50. i have a place i can hunt by my house about 3000 acres i usually just take young dogs here and i dont even take a bulldog with me cause if i sent one to them bayed id have to go in there its terrible country, i usually just leave them bayed and go back home and check them on the tracker every so often to see if they moved and i dont count them hogs in my tally. but dogs quiting and just coming back to the fourwheeler and stumbling up on a hog is not very likely to happen over here, it might would if i had some " finders Grabbers" but i just have cur dogs. some people will except flaws in a dog because they like it as a pet instead of a hunting dog

I didn't read anything in there where your curs hunted any different or were any better or worse than my finder holders.     Only difference in our game is when the pig first sees a finder holder it's caught.    When a pig sees your curs, it leads the curs off deeper in the brush and your left trying to get a catch dog close enough to the bay once the bay is settled that you feel comfortable turning it loose.     Bad thing about that is the pig is already furious and on the fight when your cd arrives plus he the pig is normally in a much better spot to protect itself against the assault than it was when the curs first made contact with it.       That's the biggest difference in hunting with curs and finder holders.    Good finder holders ain't no worse or better at finding pigs than a good cur.   It's what happens when they find them that they differ

[chipolariverman]

Black Streak I have a question about your "finder holders" cause there are some places that we hunt that this type of dog would be great such as close to boundry lines and or small tracks of land.

Do you run any type of bay or cut vest on them or a cut collar?  And how often do they get cut or cut to the point that they have to be stood up to heal?  And how many do you have so if one does get cut do you have back up or are you just out until he/she heals?

Don't think I have read yet as to what type of breed or mix they are if so I missed it.  Or is it just the stock that your buddy turned you on to that y'all basically keep to yourselves?

[Goose87]

I always believe in a good debate, but this took a turn for the most ridiculous reasons, most of yall need to take a step back and remember why you first got into hog hunting with dogs and quit the pecker measuring, discussions such as this one are nothing more than the very blood pumping in the veins of destruction, can yall not step off of your own regional pedestals and see the division amongst hog hunters, over the most absolutely absurd reasons, who cares what style of dogs you hunt or what you consider a hog dog as long as your in it for the right reasons for the dogs and your goal is to breed a better dog for YOUR STYLE of hunting then so be it, everybody ob here just about lives in different regions and terrain, what works for one might not work for you, it's no different than fishing, one man tight lines, one jig fishes, one line fishes, the other prefers fly fishing all different "styles" of fishing but at the end of the day, guess what fellas, it's still fishing, or look at the quarter horse world, some are cutters, reiners, racers, calf horses, heal horses, heading horses, some run barrels, some run poles, other are trail ponies, at the end of the day their all still quarter horses, if a man runs cold nosed hounds with serious bottom, or a man runs casting curs that are gritty, or fast athletic dogs that stop their game on sight, when it's all said and done and at the end of the day every single one of them is going to chit the same, why knock one man because his style is different than yours, brothers and sister yall better wake yourselves up and learn to pat each other on the back and be gentlemen about your differences because it's not our government or anti hunters tearing us as a sport down, we're doing it to ourselves.  What happened to honor amongst houndsmen ?

[Black Streak]

Black Streak I have a question about your "finder holders" cause there are some places that we hunt that this type of dog would be great such as close to boundry lines and or small tracks of land.

Do you run any type of bay or cut vest on them or a cut collar?  And how often do they get cut or cut to the point that they have to be stood up to heal?  And how many do you have so if one does get cut do you have back up or are you just out until he/she heals?

Don't think I have read yet as to what type of breed or mix they are if so I missed it.  Or is it just the stock that your buddy turned you on to that y'all basically keep to yourselves?

Finder Holders need to wear protective vest that's as close to cut proof as can be without a lot of weight or rrestrictions.     Mine are protected from their chin to just behind the shoulder.  I run vest made of fire hose material right now but have one on the way that's made out of an even lighter material that's still water proof, that's more flexible,  and I couldn't stab a my pocket knife through it without pushing and turning it.    I can stab a knife through everything I've ever seen with ease, even fire hose and salt belt but this stuff was awsome.   Very excited about my new vest.  You can see a decent picture of one of the vest I run on them in the Finder Holder thread Oconee started and posted pics of one of my dogs on.
      I have 4 finder holders and 1 stag.  One of the finder holders is 3/4 wolfhound.    She was a result of an outcross to a really good wolfhound finder holder that just didn't work out.   The entire litter wouldn't hunt worth a flip.     She works well as a stag though so I kinda just consider her a stag type dog instead of a finder holder.
     Good finder holders run solely as finder holder rarely ever get cut and if they do its normally nothing bad.    What kills dogs like this is people running them with curs as RCDs.   That's bad ju ju.

[Mike]

I always believe in a good debate, but this took a turn for the most ridiculous reasons, most of yall need to take a step back and remember why you first got into hog hunting with dogs and quit the pecker measuring, discussions such as this one are nothing more than the very blood pumping in the veins of destruction, can yall not step off of your own regional pedestals and see the division amongst hog hunters, over the most absolutely absurd reasons, who cares what style of dogs you hunt or what you consider a hog dog as long as your in it for the right reasons for the dogs and your goal is to breed a better dog for YOUR STYLE of hunting then so be it, everybody ob here just about lives in different regions and terrain, what works for one might not work for you, it's no different than fishing, one man tight lines, one jig fishes, one line fishes, the other prefers fly fishing all different "styles" of fishing but at the end of the day, guess what fellas, it's still fishing, or look at the quarter horse world, some are cutters, reiners, racers, calf horses, heal horses, heading horses, some run barrels, some run poles, other are trail ponies, at the end of the day their all still quarter horses, if a man runs cold nosed hounds with serious bottom, or a man runs casting curs that are gritty, or fast athletic dogs that stop their game on sight, when it's all said and done and at the end of the day every single one of them is going to chit the same, why knock one man because his style is different than yours, brothers and sister yall better wake yourselves up and learn to pat each other on the back and be gentlemen about your differences because it's not our government or anti hunters tearing us as a sport down, we're doing it to ourselves.  What happened to honor amongst houndsmen ?

Well said Goose...

[swine dogger]

X2 I thought I was at a family reunion there for a while lol


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[mduggan]

Great post, Goose! From the way some of our fellow hunters talk to each other, our sport is in trouble.

[Stanton]

The lack of response to the original question somewhat show what I have suspected. A lot of people talk a lot about hunting, dogs, hogs, and their opinions about what they think and how they feel. But bottom line they don't really have what it takes to consistently get it done in the woods. I know there are people on here that catch piles of hogs that rarely post and some that are too humble to post about the hundreds they catch. I greatly respect that. Good places to hunt and hog densities definitely have a lot to do with overall totals of caught hogs, BUT hog dogs can get it done anywhere. I have often wondered how many hogs some people on here actually catch. I used to get on here believing that most people on here had more knowledge and experience than myself. But as I began to gain knowledge of my own I began to see things aren't as they appear. If you are proud of what you have, great, that is what it is all about. You feed em. I love what I have. I have had dogs for about 8 years and was lucky enough to start with good stock courtesy of my older brother. Together we have been able to breed and put together a respectable pack of dogs that WE are proud of. The dogs I have lots of people turn their noses up at. According to some they are long range cast dogs. They get out and hunt, bottom line. They are rougher than most but that's what I like. Different strokes for different folks. I get a chance to hunt a few good places and catch good numbers on those a days. Other places I may ride 15-20 miles to find a track. Either way I enjoy going. With all that being said, to answer the original question, the last few years I've managed to put my hands on around a hundred each year. My goal is to catch more than the year before. I caught 116 last year and I am at 103 this year. But I believe my dogs are better right now than they have ever been. A friend of mine summed it all up one time, he Said,"Don't put too much stock in something that will piss in its feed bowl and screw it's own mother or sister" In the end they a just dogs, some with a higher or different skill set but still dogs. I am happy with what I have and what my dogs have accomplished as should be with everyone else. If you're not maybe you should get better dogs or pick up a new hobby.

[Judge peel]

Ya there is a lot of talk on here bout hunting dogs and hog. Lot of good info to be passed around. What I have found since I been a wannabe Internet hog hunter is that most of the guys I have hunted with off this site and face book talk a big game. But there are some on here that can do what they say and then some.


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[RyanTBH]

Lol wow! Bunch of jaw jabberin' going on in this thread... Ain't it real easy to ask a question, take what someone gives you as an answer and move on??? I don't even remember who started this post cause of all the damn negative a$$ comments made on here... It's all petty!

Anyways, since I have some meat dogs or soup hounds, whichever you wana call em, that occasionally trash in a hog, I figured I'd comment.

[DavidTBH]

I found myself getting caught up is some of this drama by reading. Then i read gooses post and remembered wye i started on this site. To learn. because i finally realized some people might , just might know a little more than me.maybe.lol

[Judge peel]

You never know to much to learn something and most of the time it comes from the person you least expect. A open mind can receive information a closed mind won't jmo 


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[oconee]

"Open-mindedness" is for people that gave never layed eyes on exactly what they want.    It is not wrong to know what suits yourself and strive to attain it more often.    Occasionaly helpful information is construed as an attempt to belitte others ways when often times the "azzhole" actually had decent intentions.