need some of yall's input

[Steven M.]

I have been kicking it around for a while but here lately these running hogs have me at my wits end. I actually got fed up enough to take the 30-30 last time I went which worked out well but I'm out there to catch hogs not shoot them. So my question is how much luck would I have breeding my lead strike dog male to my lead catch dog which is full pit? She is more of the older style pit so she has a decent build not just a bully dog. I am wanting either a dog that's rough enough to stop it or flat out catch I don't care. I just didn't know if they would come like I need them to because I know it looks good on paper but what actually comes out is a different story

[Sambo5500]

Steven, I have a pit x cur that works very well for what you are talking about. He is a RCD. He is basically a catch dog that will hunt. He can be run alone or with another like dog and catch plenty of hogs. I can also use him as a true running catch dog from any distance but I will only do that with other very rough strike dogs on the ground as to limit the damage he takes. With loose dogs I use him as a lead in catch dog or sometimes I'll send him when we get pretty close. It can work well but you will have to keep some pups and see which ones work as you want them too. Some may come out straight catch that tire quickly, some may come out as just really rough curs that might catch or might bay which you don't want cuz that can wreck everything. You want with the go and leg of a cur that is straight catch.

[Cajun]

A lot depends on how much land you have to hunt & how much time. If you are hunting smaller properties you probably will want to go with running catchdogs & you still will not get all of them. If you have big properties, I would go with hounds or running dog crosses & wear them out & you will still get outrun  once in a while. jmo

[Steven M.]

Cajun I have a few big places but mainly small ones. What I have seen is any one of my dogs can bay a hog but as soon as another gets even close the hog breaks. Then the race is on and they will eventually bay again but usually doesn't last long then it's running again. I watched it first hand last hunt while standing on top of my mule in a grower up field. My dogs would find the pig but he would plow his way through it and get 20-30 yards ahead of the dogs then stop and they would do it all over again. It seems like that's what happens with every hog here this past year. A dog that would just catch him.would make things that much more simple

[Sambo5500]

As Cajun said property size also comes into play. Our hogs have been doing as you describe for a while now. I personally like the cross and feel we catch more of those runners/breakers with him than without him.

[Steven M.]

Sambo is there a way you can post a pic of your dog?

[Sambo5500]

For some reason when I try to post pics I always get some kind of error message or another. If you'd like to pm me with your number I'd be happy to send you some. If you can post pics your more than welcome to post him up if you'd like as well.

[Judge peel]

Just my thought but I would find some that's known for having straight catch cur with no pit get a set and run them with one good strike dog should increase the number caught if it's being out run mike look for a big bottom dog or hound that won't stop and dump some rough dogs to him the second or third time they bay


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[Steven M.]

Judge I have 2 dogs with a lot of bottom one is my lead dog and the other is an up and Comer that has really surprised me a few times. I had two curs but now I am down to one. I just sold one looking for something rougher. It's hard to find a straight catch curs around me and if someone has some they ain't willing to share lol. But you see a lot of junk looking for what you want. There's always that one guy who has "just the dog for you" if you know what I mean

[hoghunter71409]

May I ask ....

Do you believe the hogs are running before they ever see a dog or do you thing they run after they bay?

Do you think the dogs will be fast enough to run hogs down in your woods and catch them?

My guess is that the hogs know the dogs are there well before the dogs get to them and I think they are up and running ahead of the dogs.  In my woods, the dogs are not going to catch up to  the hog, you better have a dog with an accurate nose and a lot of bottom to keep running the 5-20 miles it takes for a hog to stop and bay.  In the case I am referring to, I don't think mixing in any pit will help.  I wish I knew your land better.  I think road access and property size also has a lot to do with it.  I don't really want a 20 mile running dog.  Ill take 4 or 5 fast running dogs and keep swapping the dogs out when I see the road cross.  I assume since you are able to shoot them, you must be able to get in front of them.

If you believe the hogs bay for a second and then run, mixing in the pit may be a good idea.

[Steven M.]

Hog hunter there may be times when the hog runs ahead of the dogs but when I shot the two last time out both were off broke bays. Where they had been bayed for a minute or two. Just long enough for the gps to read treed. And when the hogs decided to break I decided to break them lol. But in hunts before then the dogs would strike and bay a group and pigs everywhere and they were still in the same spot.

[Judge peel]

Here is my theory of adding pit to make a rougher dog. In most cases your taking away from both dogs. To me makes more sense to get a cur that will catch or a pit that can run. Some make very good dogs but most don't the guys that bred these dogs for the last 300 yrs got it right in my eyes just find a line of that dog that meets what you need its a much better path. Than trying the quick fix methods


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[l.h.cracker]

Throw a couple ruff dogs in the mix and listen to the squeal I own a cat bull that's a good strike dog and ruff as a cob lots of guys I hunt with cross Curs and pits also hounds and pits with success.Since you know what you already have and want to cross them for more Grit I would say go ahead. I personally run extremely ruff dogs the only thing about running them is you have to get to your dogs no matter what.if you have loose dogs make sure that you have a couple of the ruff dogs together with the loose dog.

[TAPOUT YOUNG]

Have you tried running one dog? Sometimes too many dogs will make them run .

[ArtHenrey]

Running one dog does work! Seen it time and time again. Have a gyp that bays pretty far back. Silent, hardly catch with a catchdog, she has bayed more hogs alone then with another dog. She will put teeth in one sometimes. Her sister is the same way. Bayed plenty with just them two dogs alone.

[hoghunter71409]

Okay Steven, in that case, you may need add some catch but it is a hard question to answer on how much luck you would have in your breeding.  If it were me, I would try to find a dog that was already doing what you would want your pups to do or maybe someone else has a pup that you think would do this off a proven cross.  JMO

[Shotgun wg]

Go super loose with less dogs and try it before u go rough as a cob. Lot easier to keep em baying than it is to get them bayed after they really start running. Bringing in some real loose dogs will give u a chance to see before turning loose the heat.


Shotgun
Arkansas

[Reuben]

if the hog bays for just a little bit and then runs then it is very possible you have a bat buster in the pack...lots of times one dog will keep them bayed where as 2 or more will cause the hog to break if the dogs put too much pressure...

like already mentioned...if you bred in pit to cur try to breed in a pit that hunts with a very catchy cur...don't was time trying to breed a loose bay dog with a pit bull...

either way you will get pups that don't hunt or catch and a few that will be how you like them...lots of times a pup will look like a cur dog as a pup and will grow and mature looking like a bull dog...

I have seen some that got the best of both worlds that found, bayed and caught hogs...

[redriverslim]

If you breed your best strike dog to your best catch dog, here are a few things to consider.  When you cross find/bay dogs with bulldogs, you don't get consistent traits in the pups.  Some of the pups are likely to be too catchy, while some have more bay. The problem is if you make the breeding, you really don't know which pups are going to receive the correct genetic make-up from the parents that gives you that perfect blend of nose, hunt, bay, roughness.  You would really need to keep the whole litter and then cull the ones that are too catchy, too loose baying, etc.  At least that is my experience with crossing bulldogs with cur breeds . . . No Consistency.  Now you've got we'll say 6 puppies from the litter to raise, get started, train, cull, etc.  A decent bag of dog food now cost $30.00.  It takes a minimum of 6 bags of food to raise a puppy to just one year old. Could be 7 bags.  So you're looking at say 10 bags of food MINIMUM to get the pup to 18 months old.  That's $300 per pup at 6 pups, which comes to $1,800 to get a litter of pups that you bred up, old enough to pick the keepers.  Now we can say that there is a couple of pups that just aren't going to suit you, and you can identify those pups early, maybe around a year old.  Even so, you're looking at a minimum of probably $1,200 (just in feed) to get 3 or 4 pups that MIGHT turn out to be what you're looking for.  Not to mention the fact that you've got to keep them in the woods to get them going properly, all the time it takes to get them seasoned, wormer, shots, etc. etc.  So for the next 2 years, you're still gonna be chasing hogs while you're waiting for the results. 

For $1,200 - $1,500 you should be able to find (two) pretty decent rough cur dogs with speed and stopping power. You could just drop them with your best find dog and solve your problem immediately without having to wait 18 months for the breeding project to materialize.  You're gonna spend the same money in the long run anyway?  I always used a "calculator" as part of my breeding program.                 

[Judge peel]

Good post red river. People always think adding pit will answer there dreams of having a rough dog ya its a easy fix but your just taking away from each breed. Imo


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