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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2015, 06:11:28 am » |
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I ain't saying your wrong if the dog ain't doing it ya it's time to go. But if there is something there just but you just ain't feeling it I don't see nothing wrong with placing the dog with some one who will do the right thing. Not all dogs are good that is a fact
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2015, 07:56:50 pm » |
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Can't agree more with this be honest fellas I've placed a bunch in pet homes ;-) this year due to someone else thinking they may be more than a cull
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2015, 11:10:09 pm » |
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It all goes back to that "pride" thing I talked about. No mattee what, a man's name will become connected to a dog that passes through his yard. I hunted with a female I had given away a few years ago and the guy was pleased with her and I had not seen her since she was a puppy and the night he joined me and another buddy I was so embarrassed to see that dog hunt that night that I spent and traded everything I had to get my hands on to get her back. I let on like I wanted her back for breeding but truth is I wanted to end him haulin her around thinkin she was good and tellin everyone who she came from. And I did!! I vowed from that day on I would NEVER have to worry about that happening again. And it won't!!!
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2015, 07:36:03 am » |
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Lol that's funny
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2015, 08:43:36 am » |
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There are some really good dogs out there that where culls at one point for some one with a set goal but made outstanding for some one else with other thoughts
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not long ago a young man on this site mentioned he had a good young dog coming on strong and then became a cull because he started barking on track...if that makes a dog a cull then all my dogs will be culled...so it is personal preference... others cull because a young dog or even an older dog are trashy...I call those diamonds in the rough  JP...I agree with what you said...however...if you like a certain style of dog whichever it may be then breed the very best and as best you can for that style...lord knows we have enough culls out there getting bred... one thing for sure...if you don't like culling then breed the very best within a family of dogs...and the chances of producing a high percentage of good dogs go up to include 100 percent in some cases...they may not all hunt exactly the same but they will hunt...the job of the breeder is to keep the very best that fit in the breeding program...so they in turn can do their part in producing true...breeding better dogs is easy f you know what you are doing...the hardest part is finding some good dogs to start with... Judge..from your past writings I don't think you would do well as a great dog breeder...I don't mean it in any bad way...you seem to be a very lenient kind of fellow and I don't see being that way...to be very helpful when breeding better dogs...but what confuses me about you is that you are a cabinet maker...that to me tells me you are a very detailed person...I could never do it...I wish I could build awesome cabinets...lol |
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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2015, 09:25:29 am » |
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Lol Ruben when I build a cabinet I have total control in what I am doing bad and good. When breeding dogs you can only control some things this takes yrs. I am very picky bout my dogs I have set standards just like every one else I place a sharp eye on my dogs but I don't hold short comings into hate. Like I have said before if your culling a lot it does not mean you have better dogs or better practice but it does mean you breed more. There are many sides to this game. I have culled when needed I have no problem with that. But I think some people get carried away with that thinking that is a cure all well it's not. And as far as pride goes every one has pride in there dogs but if you haven't seen top level then you don't know any better. But to answer what you said I ain't a dog breeder don't claim to be lol the best dogs pop up there not planed good averages are planed
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2015, 01:32:37 pm » |
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I wish making a great line of dogs was as easy as making a fancy cabinet then I could be a super star hog dogger lol.
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2015, 04:25:24 pm » |
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While we're on the subject, I don't think Judge would make a good breeder either.
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2015, 06:48:26 pm » |
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Glad that you fellas are such a authority on what I can and can't be lol what a joke and this is why you are nothing of consequence to me your statements are all the same BS. Over and over. Why don't you ever have any thing good to say you must be a miserable little fella.
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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2015, 09:09:24 pm » |
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I have been a member of this site for some time. I have really enjoyed the conversation and even some disagreements. The arrogance as of late is getting nearly too much to bare. Sad to see the way it is turning.
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« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2015, 12:53:51 am » |
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My lord it never stops how in the world can you guys say that Judge wouldn't be a good dog breeder? Doesn't anyone care how they come across to the rest of the bird
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« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2015, 12:54:41 am » |
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« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2015, 02:31:46 am » |
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Judge I'm very sorry to have read what I just did. I was unaware that to breed a good set of dogs together that you couldn't be lenient on any dogs, and that you didn't know what you were doing unless you were killing most everything you have bred. I did not also assume that just because you are lenient on dogs, that that translated into you not having at least some top notch dogs or meant you didn't know what a great hog dog was and we're incapable of producing very fine dogs.
Since they are judging you and your ability to breed dogs by what you have posted on here, I would like to ask, should everyone judge them from their lack of stories and pictures of pigs on here and assume they are not nearly as good of hog doggers as you are. I know both are as active on here as you are and both can upload pictures and tell of their hunts but ive not read of many by them in recent memory. I can only speculate from what I've read on here but I assume neither of the 3 of you know one another personally but only from on here. Same here, I don't know either of the 3 of you except from on here bit based off what I've seen from the 3 of you on here, if it were me, I'd be getting my dogs from Judge as his dogs seem to be the only ones that show much evidence of being able to produce pigs.
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« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2015, 06:27:34 am » |
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Lol black streak. There are plenty people around that have seen my dogs work and have dogs that I have bred. There not the best but there good solid dogs and do what they where bred to do. Just becuz I don't stand on a soap box saying this and that bout selection and genetics of breeding and how I burn up a 22 to end most things I breed doesn't mean I don't understand what a good dog is or how to breed one. A lot of guys on this site run there mouth talking this and that and hate when some one is different then what you are. No matter who you are you got your dogs from some one other then your self. And in most cases the dogs you bred weren't as good as the first ones you got.
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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2015, 07:46:39 am » |
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Pretty much the same point I was trying to make Judge Just kinda floored me when I read what was said about you when no specific example was given to back up this claim. It was such an arrogant thing to say without any specific example tied to it, that I kinda shocked me.
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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2015, 08:02:33 am » |
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well fellas...I have to apologize...mainly to Mr JP...I reckon I shouldn't of said what I said but it is an observation I have made and only an opinion...and as you all know everyone has one...
I said what I said because I have written many posts on breeding better dogs and Judge Peel tends to contradict quite a few which is fine...and some of his comments have led me to believe and develop my opinion...
I should not have said what I did say...
I should have stayed on course as I always have but so be it...
my main point is this...if one does not do the right thing and cull as necessary then we must be very attentive and learn as much as possible to breed better dogs...one cannot make excuses...must call it as it is...and retain the best possible hunting pups...
about everyone will say or agree that there are many sorry dogs out there...one might ask, why? Well it has to do with several reasons...it can be one or a combination of several...and trying to answer these reasons will take a while and actually it can become complicated...once upon a time I was in those shoes...
the bottom line...breed the best within a family of dogs and there will not be many culls to cull...maybe variation in hunting style...and the pups should a hunting home...
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« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2015, 08:17:26 am » |
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I comment on stuff all the time that I agree with and don't agree on. The fact is you can try to breed with your plan that you have but it won't always work. I have helped few guys better there dogs by helping them with connection that I have made over the yrs as have people to me. I will say this I bet the fellas that think there breeding practices are the high and mighty wouldn't want those same principles turn on them. I keep a open mind and eye and a closed ear becuz half the stuff your hear is stupid
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« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2015, 08:19:57 am » |
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Culling don't make you a good breeder
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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2015, 08:29:54 am » |
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I comment on stuff all the time that I agree with and don't agree on. The fact is you can try to breed with your plan that you have but it won't always work. I have helped few guys better there dogs by helping them with connection that I have made over the yrs as have people to me. I will say this I bet the fellas that think there breeding practices are the high and mighty wouldn't want those same principles turn on them. I keep a open mind and eye and a closed ear becuz half the stuff your hear is stupid
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I agree on this...there are different reasons and ways as to how to breed better dogs...and one must have an open mind and call it for what it is... if we are breeding coursing hounds one must educate oneself to know all we can about what makes a great coursing hound and then select those pups that prove themselves to be of the same caliber...and hopefully just a little better...if the dogs are not improving then maybe the percentage of pups who make the cut will reach a higher percentage... When breeding better cur dogs one must know what a great cur dog is of the type we hunt...and select accordingly... and that goes for any breed/breeding program... I will not turn a deaf ear on anyone on account there is something to be learned... |
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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2015, 08:32:41 am » |
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Culling don't make you a good breeder
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