When Selling Hog Dogs...

[Judge peel]

Wasn't calling you a knuckle head was saying not to vac is a knuckle head move. I don't worm but once or twice a yr and imovic every other month. I have done a ton of research and I agree that meds ain't the answer but your dog can't talk and tell you he feels bad and some of these things they can catch by time you figure something is wrong it's to late. If I am looking at what your saying is kinda like the fittest dog survives and betters his immune system. I get that but in my area you try that you won't have many dogs left that you breed. Growing up my dad never gave dogs crap but rabies some died some didn't some will never get any thing but not a risk I want to take. Wasn't trying to say anything bad bout you bubba


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[liefalwepon]

No offense taken. from what ive heard theres a lot more stuff a dog can catch down there. the strong survive but the healthy as well, if your dogs are healthy they can fight off a lot. if I lived in an area with a lot of parvo and the ground was flatter where it could wash in, Id use parvo vacs, it would suck to loose a litter of pups to parvo. If I loose my best dog to something one of these years I might feel the same as you. I hear about dogs dieing of heart worm here and there but Ive never had a dog have it. I dont vaccinate my chickens or goats or pigs either and never had a problem. I used to live in a spot with a lot of feral cats and I had to use the tape wormer more often because my dogs were eating cat feces all the time. I dont have problems with fleas where Im at now either, even when I get them on my dogs from hunting with friends they just seem to die off. I did use that frontline for ticks the other day, they are so bad this year that I was spending over an hour a day picking them of the pups. In general Im distrusting of vets, doctors and politicians, its worked well for me so far. lol

[Goose87]

On the subject of vaccines and wormers, I used to be stringent about worming once a month and seems like I was always dealing with a dog with worms, I started worming and would worm again in two weeks and would wait several months, biggest thing I found to help tremendously was to keep the area around the dogs clean at all times, I keep insect granules around that I spread about once a month or so, and keeping the dogs flea and mosquito free worked wonders, I'll start giving them ivermectin injected in the hip usually once a month during the summer season when Mosquitos are rampant, as far the vaccines I used to NEVER give vaccines and never really had a problem either because I always maintained a healthy clean yard, after losing a good promising young dog and almost another because I went to somebody's baypen who allowed any Tom dick and Harry to use and wasn't but a week later i was hit for around 1200 trying to save them two dogs and lost one, I feel that a parvo specific vaccine and two broad spectrum vaccines aren't that big of an investment and that all I'll give them, yes vaccines can have ill effects as well, it's my personal opinion that there's no sense in vaccinating something past puppy hood, think about it how many of you adults go get vaccines every year for the same stuff you did as a kid, another example, an old man I used to go to church with got the flu shot every year and stayed sick all winter the past two years he didn't get it and never even as much had a sniffle, yes a vaccination program is important for young dogs but that giving a puppy 6 rounds of shots or what not is doing nothing but continually suppressing the immune system and creating more customers, it's a vet or pharmaceutical company's job to sell you all those shots, their creating more and more profit. Not saying my way is the only way but, it's what has worked for me thus far, maybe I'll encounter some ill effects on down the road but since the last 4 or 5 years I've been doing this it it has worked, another thing is watching who you allow in your yard or where you go and then come back, I just recently lost two entire litters, my bud raised one and I did, I went to his house to pick my half up, mine and the ones he kept were all dead within a week, the litter I lost never came in contact with his pups but i had the same boots on as when I went over there and him and his family came picked out some of my pups and within a week a whole other litter who physically seemed healthy as could be was lost, the only connection the two litters ever had was us walking in and around their pens, both litters of pups were fat slick and healthy as can be, but they had not had any shots yet so now im going to be getting a high titer vaccine to them at 4 weeks old while their still on the gyp. Just my ramblings and what has worked for me.

[Scott]

Vaccines challenge the immune system...

Personally, I'm not real concerned with adult dogs getting annual vaccinations. Their immune systems are challenged regularly and frequently. Pups on the other hand, get what they require. Parvo is endemic in the South...it's everywhere. If you have ever lost a litter or most of a litter to it...you'll vaccinate from that point on.

[l.h.cracker]

If you don't vaccinate and worm here your dogs have a good chance of dieing.I vaccinate grown dogs as well Rabies and distemper outbreaks are common in my area and in fact were under a Rabies alert at the moment in my county.Four years ago distemper killed off most of the coyotes in my woods.If you don't get proactive with worming,flea prevention and Ivermectin for heart worms you will have a problem.Mosquitoes are extremely thick fleas and ticks as well.There is definitely not enough benefits to even consider not treating my dogs and if you try the only the fittest survive method here you won't have much to feed.

I vaccinate my children as well I live in a cultural melting pot and the risk far outway the rewards once again but to each there own. Not saying you're wrong for doing what you feel is right Lifealweapon but it ain't for me buddy.

[Black Streak]

Since we are on the discussion of the immune system now,  i would like to ask, do yall just feed straight kibble or do any of yall feed raw?

[liefalwepon]

I feed kibble, taste of the wild salmon, and add in some raw chicken or deer meat for a pregnant or nursing dam and or the pups until they're ten weeks


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[l.h.cracker]

Feed kibble only feed raw as a treat every now and then.don't have the time to solely feed raw meat though I would like to.Ever had any problems with brucellosis or pseudo rabies BlackStreak?

[liefalwepon]

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[liefalwepon]

This threads all over the place anyway

[Hunt the Grunt]

I've been feeding about half kibble half raw deer meat. Some say not to mix kibble and raw but I haven't had a problem. I've been buying deer heart and liver by the 5 gal bucket full for $5 each. I feed heart one or two days a week and liver 2-3 days mixed with River Run Professional. Then muscle meat whenever I have some. All the dogs are looking slick and doing well.

[liefalwepon]

That's some cheap venison, wish we had that out here


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[TheRednose]

This threads all over the place anyway

lolol this thread is great! Covers selling dogs, breeding dogs, vaccinating dogs, and feeding dogs!

I have fed raw in the past, it can be as simple or as complicated as you want to make it. There are some definite benefits but like anything there are some cons too. Now I just feed Taste of the Wild Prairie in the yellow bag.

[Reuben]

nice pups...I like the black male...

[Black Streak]

Feed kibble only feed raw as a treat every now and then.don't have the time to solely feed raw meat though I would like to.Ever had any problems with brucellosis or pseudo rabies BlackStreak?

Don't have a problem with it hear.   Down south where most of my dogs come from it wasn't uncommon.    Dogs would get it now and then just from catching a pig that was suffering from it.     

[Reuben]

nice pups...I like the black male...

I also like the yellow male with the pale face...

[Black Streak]

I feed my dogs raw as much as I can.   The more pigs they catch, the better they eat lol.   I really like the bennifits of feeding them the raw.    The rib cage really really helps keep their teeth clean and plaque free, thier gums healthy, their breath smelling good etc.    Bones give them lots of calcium,  they love the meat, it's something very useful I can do with some of the pigs they catch,  it offsets the expensive kibble,  wounds heal faster do to all the nutrients in their food,  they look and feel extremely well, their poop turns to white ash and fairly quickly disappears when it's good and dried out.    The oil from the fats they eat is really good for their skin and coat.    With all the good nutrition feeding carcuses, their immune system should be very well!   As said earlier the better the health of a dog, the better it's immune system.    That is effected by diet in a big way.  
    Con's to feeding raw are, you better have enough to go around lol
it takes time and effort.   It's fairly easy for me as I keep my dogs in huge pens that they can run and play in and keep multiple dogs in each pen.    So I can just throw them deer carcuses in there or entire skinned hogs and let them feed on it till its gone.    Parasite are most abundant in the guts but a lot of the good bacteria used to break down the meat and bone are in the guts too.   I'll leave guts in, in the cooler months but remove them in the hotter months.   Feeding guts, the dogs need to be on a very good worming regimen.     I skin the pigs and often lay out strips to dry for a month.    The hide sometimes contains lice and ticks so best to remove it if so.   Hide left on will not be consumed very well when it's green and will eventually start to rot, so again, I will remove it.     I'll give them the raw hide later on after its dried for about a month.   They really like it back then.   They love chewing on it.   Offsets raw hide bones from the store.      When i feed a torso with the guts left in, i will freeze the torso for at least 3 days.   This will kill many a parasite.    Afterwards i take it out and cut it up with an axe if it's a pig torso with everything attached but the hide.    I will devide such a big portion of food up and give it to all the dogs instead of just throwing it all to one set of dogs in a pen.    Just a deer torso I will give to one set of dogs because I've gotten all the meat off I can for myself.   I'll give the others the trimmings and leg bones for them to pick around on.        I'll quarter up pigs and rotate which pens get the ribs, and which get quarters.   All this is work, from taking the pigs back home, to skinning them, to freezing some of it, to cleaning big bones out of the pens later on.   Lots of work but it's only work if you don't like doing it for your dogs.
   Their are pro's and con's and if your careful and smart about things, you can circumvent most con's and reap all the rewards.    Freezing the meat helps negotiate many of the con's but again it's more work and more hassel but best to do so.     When I'm away at work my wife feeds them kibble.     Kibble and raw meat smell awful in poo but once the kibble is flushed out it doesn't smell much at all.

[liefalwepon]

nice pups...I like the black male...

The one with the white sox or without?


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[liefalwepon]

Black streak, if you throw a carcass in a pen with multiple dogs, don't they fight?


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[TheRednose]

nice pups...I like the black male...

I also like the yellow male with the pale face...

Your pups sure are getting big from the last pic's I had seen of them. Do you still have that really nice little cat male?

I like that first one, the brindle with the white chest.