Which bird dog for bird bull?

[liefalwepon]

My previous post should have been GSP or Drathaar or English Pointer, Which do you prefer for a bird bull cross and why?


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[Slim9797]

I got one with English pointer and I like him. He's just a pup though

[CHRIS H.]

what are your expectations for the bird bull ?

I've never hunted with one that I know of .. I'd like to know in general

Running catch dog ?

Thanks

[liefalwepon]

Ya, I would call them RFC for run find catch, I have some RCDs that are doing good except for the finding part. If I can get a finder holder pup out of some one on ETHD I'll go that way, if I can't I'm thinking some bird dog will give them more nose and endurance. It would actually be 1/8 greyhound as well


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[buddylee]

The English Pointer/Pit is a tried and true cross in Georgia. Be sure to use a game bred pit and a good plantation pointer. The drive these crosses have is amazing. I have some bird dog in all but one of my dogs.

[Slim9797]

I have a run find catch dog. He hunts around at 6-800 yards and has never barked at a hog. He runs he finds he hooks up like an earring. His blood is something like 1/2 brindle cur 3/8 pit and 1/8 whippet hound. I can't take credit for him though. A very nice guy with the screen name countryman passed him onto me because he wasn't using him. brindle dog is him. He's about small but mighty. I refer to him as my hell hound

[liefalwepon]

The English Pointer/Pit is a tried and true cross in Georgia. Be sure to use a game bred pit and a good plantation pointer. The drive these crosses have is amazing. I have some bird dog in all but one of my dogs.

The gyp I was going to breed is 1/2 Dogo, 1/4 pit and 1/4 greyhound. She's straight catch and fast, weighs about 60 lbs. we don't have plantations out here, I was just going to buy a male Elhew pointer. All I really need is the semen if anyone knows of a Badass EP I could get some straws from




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[liefalwepon]

I just bred my gsp to my pit.  both dogs are small maybe weighing 40-45 pounds but both are extremely athletic.  I guess it depends on what kind of dogs you want to make.  I like dogs 40-50 pound range.  Its just preference I guess.  I know I would take two 40 pound dogs over one 80 pound dog any day of the week.

Im wanting more of a 70-80 lb but athletic dog, but that may just be from a lack of experience. I usually hunt alone and since we can only hunt three dogs each out here Id like three 70-80 lb short to medium range dogs that can run well in these mountains and find and catch on their own.

[Slim9797]

here's the bird bull I have. 1/4 setter 1/4 cur 1/4 pit 1/4 AB . Just a pup but I like him

[TheRednose]

Dang Slim you have a lot of dogs! I envy you. I really liked that brindle you posted further up, he is built like I like from what I can tell.

I know with bulldogs (APBT) That their sweet spot for me and what I like is in the 40-60lb range. Just a rough estimate of a range but most of what I have had that I liked the best was some where in that range give or take a few pounds. I found that range you could keep their power, speed, and stamina without losing much of any of them. But there are def exceptions as I have seen smaller ones that were awesome, and larger ones that still had good stamina.

Good luck with your breeding.

[liefalwepon]

My experience with the bigger dogs is they don't handle heat and mountains as well.  You probably will get away with it in the winter but in the summer it will kill their stamina.  It gets 100 degrees up there in the summer right?

ya its 90 to 100 all summer, I dont hunt much in the summer though cuz I dont take the heat well lol
I have a 70lb dog that takes the heat well

[liefalwepon]

here's the bird bull I have. 1/4 setter 1/4 cur 1/4 pit 1/4 AB . Just a pup but I like him

that sounds like a good recipe right there!!!

[WayOutWest]

Leifelwepon, you may have some difficulty putting those 2 types together and getting 70 or 80 lbs. The averages on those dogs run 40 to 60#. There are good big APBT's but you won't find em on every corner. And finding a conditioned birddog over 60# would be tougher to find.

[liefalwepon]

Leifelwepon, you may have some difficulty putting those 2 types together and getting 70 or 80 lbs. The averages on those dogs run 40 to 60#. There are good big APBT's but you won't find em on every corner. And finding a conditioned birddog over 60# would be tougher to find.

well I really only want a quarter bulldog, so after breeding to that female I was going to add some mastiff or dogo to give them some more size

[liefalwepon]

slim, it looks like you have two of those pups! 

[liefalwepon]

My experience with the bigger dogs is they don't handle heat and mountains as well.  You probably will get away with it in the winter but in the summer it will kill their stamina.  It gets 100 degrees up there in the summer right?

maybe I should stick with the smaller size dogs, you hunt the steep stuff out here you know what it takes, thanks for your input

[cornbro]

Elhew bird dogs seem to work pretty good . Georgia hunter's have been fond of bird bull crosses for years .

[Slim9797]

slim, it looks like you have two of those pups! 

Bubba, I had 6, 5 mysteriously disappeared one day. Pups are free roam on a 180 acres. Never had any walk off. Can only speculate as to what happened

[Semmes]

I made a hunt in GA with Adam, travis and jeff from razorback cut gear two years in a row back 7&8 yrs ago....

Jeff had a Weimaraner x pit cross that second year that was star of the show.

These were guided weekend hunts on a large property.

That dog ran it pads completely off but never once checked up.

Had to be caught even with no pads..

Knew how to strike/find and stop a hog and then hold a hog without too much pressure unless it went to break long nuff for us bumbling bulldog guys to get our catchdogs on the scene. Slit of these hog were really decent size hogs

I still think about that dog and If I could have that I'd be a happy man...the dog may have been a 'one off' with that breeding but it was a phenom

[Slim9797]

Dang Slim you have a lot of dogs! I envy you. I really liked that brindle you posted further up, he is built like I like from what I can tell.

Good luck with your breeding.

  i have 6, my other buddy has 4 and then the other buddy I keep dogs and hunt with has 5. Some of the dogs I'll post I don't technically own per say but we consider it "our" yard of dogs and if any one of us wants to hunt solo we can come and grab what ever combo of dogs we want no questions asked. The brindle dog is mine, I like him, he's a hunting little dude and he will hook up on a pig good. Wish he didn't hunt as deep as he did. Having a RCD that will blow out of the county hunting isn't that fun sometimes. He's honestly the longest range dog we have