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« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2015, 04:17:29 pm » |
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If u breed the English pointer to the pit you'll like the outcome if u use quality dogs. Easiest cross to get guaranteed hog dogs.
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« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2015, 04:38:02 pm » |
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I will look around for pictures of some of the old dogs . Most bird bull crosses look almost like a full bird dog
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« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2015, 07:43:12 pm » |
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In Georgia, English Pointer x pit or american bulldog was very popular cross. Made good catch dogs.
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msula87
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« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2015, 04:18:22 pm » |
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If you're in northern California you might try reaching out to the guy at californiacatchers.com. Browse around his site and I think you'll see some dogs similar to what you're looking for.
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Judge peel
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« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2015, 07:35:56 am » |
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If I was going to cross I would use English pointer. If I was to hog hunt a bird dog I would use gsp
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CHRIS H.
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« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2015, 10:18:21 pm » |
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Anyone got pictures I'd like to see'em
I'm around a lot of German shorthair pointers and have two myself but they're bird dogs I compete with .
And also in the crosses do they want to point ? They've been breeding them to point sense before 1870
During competition we can't run them with tracking collars and we lose them and find them on point all the time.
Thanks kinda curious about it
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« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2015, 04:54:04 pm » |
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Chris a friend of mine bred a Gsp male to a cur gyp several years ago, when they were young they would be running around the yard and would go on point if they saw a bird on the ground or would point his chickens as well, it always amazes me how strong that genetic instinct was to point at the scent of bird.
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« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2015, 05:39:22 pm » |
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SELECT FOR NATURAL ABILITY FIRST whether it be to point, bay, track or the ability to find game quickly can be bred in...or we can hunt them hard to get results...and we can expect the same from their offspring...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2015, 07:52:24 pm » |
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    Here's a pup I'm working on right now .. The last picture is its litter mate   Some dogs on point .. These dogs are "broke" so they'll stay like that till found , lots of them will do it naturally , but breaking them inforces it. SELECT FOR NATURAL ABILITY FIRST whether it be to point, bay, track or the ability to find game quickly can be bred in...or we can hunt them hard to get results...and we can expect the same from their offspring...
Ruben I believe I read where in 1870 they started documenting them , but there was some prince or rich person somethin like that who had his people do away with the confirmation part of it and had them breed best to best. Then when they brought the dogs over here a lot of the Feild trial guys started breeding English pointer in them to range out further . From what I've been told the ones in Germany now a days or generally bigger dogs and shorter range dogs .. Compared to the field trial lines Here I bet you'd like the idea of field trial bird dogs .. Your basically trying to convince the judges that you've got the best dog to breed to . With that comes the most flashy/ stylish point , big running / far ranging bird dogs .. The best ones go for an hour straight and are just hauling butt around . .. They don't pace themselves They'll be running , running , running 800 yards out on a hill top then you'll see them just lift there head whip around and lock up on point ., they'll be like that till you get there , flush the bird shot it and then tell them they can move agin . Thanks y'all ! |
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Judge peel
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« Reply #49 on: January 01, 2016, 09:59:10 am » |
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Good looking bird dogs buddy
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« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2016, 11:40:47 am » |
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We have always had better luck with full blooded English pointers rather than Shorthair's . most are very gritty and will sometimes point the hog before they start baying .
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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2016, 12:09:44 am » |
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That day dog has no quit in her she makes me tired watching her. There has been hunts were I traveled 12 miles on foot and she has probably done 5 times that and never stops working.
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« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2016, 12:10:49 am » |
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Dazy dog
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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2016, 10:47:03 am » |
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Thanks Judge Peel ! Very good lookin Gsp Blasin44mag ! http://youtu.be/64MIBzcrDU4^ Here's a video of one if of my gsp . There's no birds in it ,but this is how he hunts off my four wheeler. If anyone is bored. Thanks |
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« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2016, 12:46:07 pm » |
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That's my female dazy. She is as intense as the picture. Most athletic dog I own by far.
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« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2016, 06:51:07 pm » |
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I've had the pleasure of hunting behind a few different bird/bull's. They were fast, full of energy & straight catch. I like them a lot. Wouldn't mind having a few myself.
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Judge peel
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« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2016, 05:30:19 pm » |
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Nice dog blastin
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« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2016, 11:38:28 pm » |
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Me and a buddy have owned a few Campbell dogs that we bought straight from Gary. Also owned straight gsps and half elhew half pit. My main dog now is a puppy I raised off a female a friend got from Gary and breed it back to a half cur half pit. I will say most Campbell dogs are weird. Like someone stated. Taking a cambell dog and breeding it back to a dog that has no cambell has worked well for us. My full blooded registered gsp was unreal but he damn near had to much hunt. The bird Bulls that I have been around were pretty dang good. A friend took a elhew off a quail plantation and breed back to a very big leggy pit. Almost all of the dogs turned out. It seems as far as crosses go taking a bird dog and a pitbull you have a very good success rate compared to any crosses I have seen. I finally found a leggy gsp female and now just waiting for her second heat to breed to my male which mom game from Gary and was then breed to a good cur bulldog cross. I am a very big fan of bird dogs and bird dog crosses. My best friend has a half fl cur half gsp and its stamina is unreal. If you want more stamina in a line you can not go wrong with adding a bird dog. Wether it be a english elhew, gsp or Weimaraner. I have owned all and stamina is not something they lack.
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« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2016, 11:48:56 pm » |
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   https://vimeo.com/152245743The white and black dog is half elhew half pit. The brown dog on the left is half cur half gsp The other brown dog in that pic mom is Campbell and dad is cur and pit. And the other one is full gsp. The two brown dogs are the ones in the water and they caught every hog together off that island in that pic. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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