Freaking morons

[Fixitlouie]

Ok. I'm not one to piss and moan like a bitch but I'm about too.
We have been having a hell of a time selling these pups (posted on trade). We have turned away quite a few that we just felt would not work. We now are getting two back and refunding  the money. We are not doing this for reasons of these pups being poor quality.  We are refunding the money because we feel like it the most responsible  thing to do. The problems are this. These dogs are "out for blood". Or  " runs away from me then tries to bite me". We asked all the right questions like experience and knowledge  of breed. But now that these pups are going to homes then stuck in the back yard and have no people Interaction what the hell do you expect. These are brutes. 140 lb of kick ass. We have parents on site. We have socialize  them from day one. People see how are dogs act. We put in the work. These pups need work.  Am I right by taking back pup and refunding the money. Or should I say this is your problem  not mine.. we still have two pups left. Everyone else besides these two fools love there pups. What do yall think..??

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[TheRednose]

I think you did right by both sides by taking back the pup and refunding the money.

And now at least you have a say in where those two pups of yours go to.

[Fixitlouie]

It's going to be 4 pups when we get these two back

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[charles]

Were they aware of THEIR responsibilities to achieve THEIR desired results of what they want the pups to be and how they turn out? Did they do the research of the breed/s to find out if that breed/ are what they want? Did you convey to them the breed/s nature and what they may need to do to achieve desired result? If the answer to all ?s is yes, then i would say its on them, not you and they should lay in the bed they made, but also take into consideration of their reprisal towards the dogs and possible abuse and or neglect the dogs may go through. In the best intrest of the pups, it may be better to take the pups back and strike their names in the black book of not to sell to ever again.

[CHRIS H.]

Man that's a tuff deal Louie ..

I think your doing right by taken the dogs back . What if you come  up with some kind of contract for compensation .. Re-homing is time consuming and can add up in cost with multiple pups  back

If they don't like it . .. Then oh well it's your time , money and you don't know them anyhow

Judge Judy has had a bunch of bad puppy deals in her court ! Haha


Hope it works out for y'all
Take care !

[Semmes]

Don't sell working dogs to pet homes plain and simple...

Cull thru and sort your own and place and breed only for your purpose.

By all means take em back and refund money if they act like they have been portrayed, lest dogs you bred end up on the news.

Work with the and 'place' them in real working homes or cull them. It your responsibility...

Working dogs need a job in the venue or sumthing close, they are bred for or they don't need to be......circulated

Jmo

[Fixitlouie]

Semmes.. these are not working dogs. However they can be. I just don't want the dog to grow up feral and kill some person..

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[Semmes]

What breed if dog?

[Semmes]

If you are breeding and selling dogs that are 140lbs and have the temperment and propensity to 'kill' (your words) someone, and have shown the week nerves traits your clients have expressed then you have your answer... And therein lies your responsibility to not let your breed become a headline.

Most dogs are bred for some sort of work. If not maybe folks should buy a papillon or and dog bred down for generations for pets or show off a former working bred line of working breed.

Kinda like buy a pet bred lab, because working bred lads are too much for the average pet owner sorta thing

[Semmes]

140 lb of kick ass. We put in the work. These pups need work.

....these are your words...are they working dogs or not is the question you have to ask yourself...

If they are cull or place pups in working homes...that sometimes means free if it furthers your 'program'. If not, and you want to sell pets then quit breeding on working traits of working dogs...

True working dog homes are few and far between esp for paying customers when they can get working dogs in a particular venue they enjoy for free or cheaply from breeders like yourself that want their stock prooven and ends with either a win for both parties or a cull of a dog

[Fixitlouie]

These are Presa and Corso  mix. Guard dogs. Non of the parents are working. All show dogs.. old lines like 3 generations  back were working but ours are family pets.

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[Fixitlouie]

Problem is that they got pup and threw it out side...might work for a lab a doodle. ..not a dominant  breed. I got the responses  I needed. Thanks fellas. .

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[Semmes]

.....yea....I wouldn't be selling those type of 'guard dogs' to inexperienced homes....no way.

I wouldn't even breed th without true working homes lined up for the picks and eyes in culling the rest...

I still remember the lady in California killed in the hallway by her own dogs which were one of those breeds and splashed all over the news like 15-20 yrs ago...I could dig up links.

Those dogs were never bred/created to be pets and I don't see and think its an injustice to the respective breeds that they should be...
 
But hey, to each his own, and they do fetch a mighty dolla from the inexperienced but are thrown free at the professional to proove their worth

...just sayn

[Semmes]

I just don't get it myself...

Why not breed English mastifs or Great Danes which are breeds that haven't seen work in a century but still would stop an assailant dead in their tracks and even do the work (i have witnessed this firsthand in both breeds, real life in one and training situation in the other) but are and have been bred down to an amicable pet dog as well. Instead of a breed a few gens off a dog that was bred as a composite in generally recent times (as both those breeds were) that was created to be untrustworthy and eager to bite people... On purpose. Then sell them to folks...seems like the Rottweiler or dode of the generation and look what happened to those breeds on the news and now as breeds...

[Semmes]

My thing is...

You want to own and work these kinda dogs...cool.

I'm not one for bsl of any sort. But you better be doggone well prepared to own a high drive pitbull cross mastiff with a nasty disposition as well it should be as per the breed focus. Anything less is a watered down version and thro back dogs come along with every litter.

But to sell them to regular folks as the ultimate family guardian is irresponsible IMO. These are not now or ever were bred to be owned buy regular families in a normal household situation.

Own,work, and breed them as you like, i like em and think they sre pretty cool. But sell them in the form they were intended? Nah...
ESP not to novices or for run of the mill home protection unless you want to add fuel to the anti's  and hand PETA a present gift wrapped.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bibWfupJEog

[liefalwepon]

You did the right thing Louie, high octane dogs with an inexperienced dog handler is a bad recipe, and it's not really their fault, they don't know what they're getting into. I bet it's frustrating though


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[liefalwepon]

I think you should tell buyers that you won't take a dog back if they have not done a training class or a series of training classes with them, if you can pay a pretty penny for a protection dog you can afford a training class, then they're invested in the dog and you know they have the basic skills, but some of your pups might be culls due to aggression issues and you don't know which ones, but mostly poor handling creates these issues


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[Judge peel]

Imo these type dogs should not be sold until the pup and or the new owner has been properly trained no if and or but. I wouldn't sale a game pit to a kid for a pet but I have a vast knowledge of handling the breed and was attacked by one when I was a kid so this is very serious to me. The one that knows better is at fault not the unaware. That size of a animal is not a companion pet period. Mild aggression with that power could be fatal even to a adult with experience much less a new comer. Sorry to sound like a but hole but this dog handling 101 


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[Goose87]

I think you did the right thing by taking the dog back, not trying to kick a man when he's down but to curb your frustration and future headaches, don't breed them unless YOU need them, not because so and so got this for their pups or their going for this or that on Craigslist, not saying that's what you did, but in most situations like this making money was the motive not making a better dog, dogs of that background should NEVER be considered for pets even if the parents aren't "working"dogs, dogs like that have no place in a pet home, all parties involved should have proper training and background on these type of dogs, both buyers and sellers. Like I stated above, you did the right thing by taking the dogs back, but next time you feel you need to breed to time bombs together, make sure you know the background and experience your customers have with these animals. Situations like this can get western real quick like in a hurry and unintentionally you would be contributing to the breed ban laws and making it harder on everyone else on down the road who enjoys these type of dogs just as you and your family do.

[Amokabs]

And now u got screwed up 140 lb dogs that you have to try to socialize well past the time when it shoulda been done. I feel for ya, no matter how hard you screen, its tough lining up your pups with good people all the time