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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2016, 03:50:05 pm »

No the breeder wouldn't be responsible for it, but it's also a breeders moral responsibility to know what he's doing and who and where he sends dogs like that to.
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2016, 04:32:43 pm »

^^^^ I agree....
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2016, 04:50:50 pm »

It was always the breeders responsibility when his choice was to breed and sell these dogs just like it is the malanois breeders responsibility, or the pitbull breeders responsibility or the hog dog breeders responsibility for that matter.
If folks would look at breeding dogs and homing them like that then alot of working breeds wouldn't be ruined and there would be alot less dogs in the pound and alot less dog attacks in the news and alot healthier and better dogs, across the board, to go around from pets on down to working dogs.

As a point in reference. This is what constitutes 'work' in the presa breed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pKHTRo52vFM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q-D19qdvGk
...so the dogs in question are a couple untested generations off of dogs like this that do work?

This is the temperment the dogs are supposed to have.
That is just one aspect of work. To go along with it they should have and be tested to have good nerves under stress and good obedience as well under stress which is probably the most important factor.

All these things together make up BST (breed suitablity tests) for protection breeds.

Most working registries and working guardian breed specific registries hold these sort of trials which in the long run are supposed to deam a dog even worthy of being bred in the first place. Most also put some criteria for health testing into that as well such as hip dysplasia free certs among others specific to breeds.

These dogs usually in a good working title have to first pass the obedience portion to even compete at the bite work.

Conformation shows don't even count in this circle of folks...

Most serious breeders of these type dogs attend trials to proove their stock amongst their peers, do the health tests at age appropriate times. Put in the training, travel and campaign dog around the country in public breed with appropriate buyers or home placements in mind and usually breed to further their own program as well when the breeding does take place. All that don't make the cut are culled.
There is rarely ever money to be made and one never breaks even...not even close to even really. Most these folks spend multiple thousands of dollars above the initial investment of buying the dogs with travel training weekly usually at a club where dues are paid, training daily at home. Prelim health certs when young before ones time is wasted and again at maturity. Alot these dogs aren't even thought bout being bred til 4 or so years old.
It's a labor of love just as folks that hunt dogs like us. But, much more expensive to the folks with the passion to do these things. And just as fun for them as us catching a few hogs or a good trophy one.

You think me and couple other folks are guving you a hard time....

Just think what folks that put in all that kinda work, labor, love and money into the breed would say to a person that bought a couple of pets and just threw em together and sold em for 2-3grand a pc and made his money back on first liter and will stand to make 10-20k profit untaxed on his next litter. All the while ruining the work standard of the breed, lower demand and prices and putting their right to own and work their own dogs in jeopardy but selling then as 'home guardians' on the trade, whatever that is...
They would eat you a new a$$hole if you were talking to them...

That was not directed at you specifically just a generalization.

Just look at all the crap bred pitbulls eating folks left and right with old ladies and families with young kids buying them left and right as home guardians and ask some these older cats what they think about that and how their beloved breed is in the news all the time and while counties have outlawed their ownership and you'll pribably get a less than gentlemanly reply from folks of the gentlemen's sport



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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2016, 07:12:59 pm »

When I sold pups it was a verbal agreement.  That these pups will be properly cared for. The buyers understood that and assured me the pups were going to receive what's needed. . But thay failed. So now it's back on me.. I get that some people might profit from pups. Not me. I make money working  not breeding. This is a one time breeding.  I'm not upset if some look upon me a non responsible breeder. Fact is I'm not a breeder at all. Just a guy trying to sell pups that will make great dogs to good homes....again one time deal.

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2016, 07:33:40 pm »

That right there tells the tale blastin...some are per quality and can be homed as such. Some are working quality and make the grade to be bred and some are just nerve bag culls....

That's exactly what I said when I said better and healthier dogs for pet owners and working homes. But less crap being breed and bad traits being passed along to novice owners.

These dogs must be kept or placed in experienced homes for evaluation by experienced folks not sold as 8 wk old pups to pet 'guard dog' homes...

That's exactly why Louie has this problem...

I say he ougt be glad he didn't read the paper and find out  dog he bred mauled someone.

Now he has the opportunity to make it right and raise the pups he bred and evaluate and socialize/train the or cull them accordingly..,

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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2016, 07:44:37 pm »

13 weeks old

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Females.  I'll have 4 buy the weekend

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2016, 07:51:35 pm »

I'm not tryn to trounce ya Louie. I wish you luck...

Some things just get my goat.

I know you only asked 500$ a pup for em.

I went back and looked thru your posts and found the breeding.

But you now know it's hard to 'make great dogs, for good homes' when speaking on guardian/protection dogs.
It's a serious thing. The hood is full of great guard dogs right

I know also on a previous post of yours that I responded too about you juvenile presa(I'm figuring the fire to this litter) and your dogo tying up and you talking bout expressing your alpha-ness with a cattle prob to the nut sack to demand your asumption of pack placement and you want two dominant intact male dogs to be able to eat together reliably and coexist much less with a bitch in heat around, that is a pipe dream brother.

As I said earlier it a trainwreck.

I think if you are gonna keep these type dogs around, much less breed them you need to attend some training and handling sessions with a club yourself and I can guarantee they ain't gonna teach you that you can make these two males coexist by shocking em into it and exclaiming to them you are alpha so it must be so...

 
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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2016, 08:09:23 pm »

Oh btw...just for the record...

I'm with Charles' call on you blastin...

Louie...blastin has come off like a fuzzy nut d!ck weed since his first appearance on here...

Word to the wise...this is a guy who from his first posts said breeding dont mean nuthin and he could get the best dogs at the pound and that he liked to wait til the price was reduced and the seller was highly motivated so he could get good deals...

I'd cull the dog first myself before letn ol blabbin get one...

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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2016, 08:54:36 pm »

I have only ever sold dogs once (two pups in a litter of nine)dumba$$ and that was over 20 years ago...go back and charck the record there swifty...

I have bred since then and haven't sold a one ever
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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2016, 09:18:07 pm »

Sure didn't because the dogs mean more to me than money and I pay my bills fine working...

But the two that bought those Great Danes had no complaints.

But I guess I'm the dumba$$ cause I did spend close to prob 30 k in a five year span on dogs buying importing campaigning and few breedings and didn't make a cent...just bunch ribbons cnd trophys and a few titles. I don't have any regrets...loved every minute of it. Now I breed just for me ...
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2016, 09:24:14 pm »

Being something besides what they are aint all folks dreams..

Dream on big timer...

Maybe folks will remember your name when your gone with your pound and flea market breeding scheme...

Stranger things have happened
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2016, 09:27:43 pm »

Any time dealing with the public it's asking for aggravation. People are gung ho on getting a new dog then throw it in the pen only for it to become a number 2eater that they usually blame the breeder for.
People see a pic of a dog and that's what they want. I got a guy I work with told me today he wanted a boxer I asked him why and he said he likes the way they looked that's not a real good reason to get a dog but that's how most people are. I'll give away a dog from time to time but most pups out of the last few litters I raised I kept what i wanted and culled the rest it's way easier that way
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2016, 09:30:45 pm »

I'm done with you blabbin...you wouldn't know a fact if it was explained to you by a professor.
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2016, 10:35:33 pm »

That's what I referenced that you said about your dogs blabbin...

But if you want facts...http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=1581908-semmes--grits-of-basins

The red letters under dogs name are titles...not that they are great titles
Notice the health certs. Notice the s gr ch as a prefix...this took time, labor and more money than all your dogs combined I assure you...in the end the dog was a cull for hunting and breeding on.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=866557-manors-preachin-to-the-choir-of-nk-cajun the only full ab I got. Notice wp3 and temperment test as well as health certs and she did finally make ch which I never updated online.
Made a damn fine dog and hogdog. She sits in my yard now...

Plus many others...many...imports from Germany and Sweden included....and culled costing thousands.

I don't have to prove any thing to you but its fun makin you look like a fool...
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2016, 10:37:16 pm »

I should say I currently got...had a dozen others over the years
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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2016, 10:42:29 pm »

And that sup gr ch hit hogs like a time of bricks...only thing made him a cull is he didn't breath great, good lead in but not Grady for 200 yd send in summer or he'd been one and done, and pretty picky, nor was he super trustworthy around strangers sometimes, something I really didn't want to risk hunting with dif folks all the time. That's the only thing that made him a cull,
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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2016, 10:57:24 pm »

I know Alan personally and he is a friend. Got his number on my phone and he signed my breed inspector card and I apprenticed under him as senior judge...
He put my dig up as best in breed over dogs he bred himself no less than half a dozen times moron...
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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2016, 11:04:06 pm »

No I'm saying you said you do..
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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2016, 11:35:19 pm »

Yeah u keep on sayn it to yourself and maybe you'll believe it...

Lots of dogs came of Alan's yard....thousands ...
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