What's your opinion

[Slim9797]

So as of late, after hunting with a guy who has a jam up set of dogs in Chris and hearing about some of the known dogs in north Texas and reading the stuff y'all talk about on here, I've come to notice my pack really lacks a lot of Hunt. If that even makes sense. I feel like my dogs I usually have to walk over the track for them to take it(my lady gyp is the only exclusion but she's slow hunting) so after having the talk with Chris and getting my buddies in the same page I've culled 2 dogs of mine so far that just haven't shown the hunt and I have 1 more who I used to consider my best dog that's on her last leg with me(some days she hunts, some days she's under my feet. She embarrasses me a lot) and I've decided to start going through young dogs (8-14 months). Don't care what they're crossed with as long as they haven't been started. Im doing this because I've adopted the belief that if a dog will simply stay out in the woods hunting, I believe I can teach him what to hunt fairly easy. But you can't teach a dog that stays at your feet to range out a mile in no sign. First 2 I'm trying is a 8 month old Catahoula who has been a pet. Supposedly he came from hunting stock but went to a pet home and they can't keep him in the yard. So he's costing me $50 and I got a year old yella gyp that's from hunting stock but never seen a hog. Guy doesn't have time for her. She's costing me $75. I figure I get these 2 dogs and take them to a big practice pen. Throw them out with no prior knowledge and see what they do, granted I don't expect them to strike but I want them to range out. A few hundred yards would make me more than happy. Then throw a strike dog in with them and see if they'll go with her and be at the bay. If they'll do that much, I'll continue to work them. If they don't, I'll cull and all it costed me was a little money and some time. and then get some more young ones to try and repeat until I find 2 I like. Y'all think this is a reasonable method to find a couple young dogs that have the "want to" factor?

[Judge peel]

To cull or not to is up to you. If your set on comparing your dogs to other people's dogs you will never be happy. The best advise I can give on this is keep two dogs at any time and put all your energy into them. And find some one who's dogs impress you to the point that you say that's what I want period. Then set back and weight till they breed or have a dog u can pick up. I never get why people say the dog embarrass you hell it's a dog I pay no attention to that mess don't get caught up in the hero mentality it don't go no where   


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[Slim9797]

I'm not set on comparing judge. But before I ever saw anyone else's dogs work I was ignorant to  how my packs bottom and roughness and range stacked up against other people. Now that I've seen other dogs I've recognized what I want in a dog I have a won't settle attitude. I enjoy catching hogs a lot and I want to catch a few more than I currently do. So I figure a change in directions with my pack is only way to do that.

[Georgia-Hawgs]

Judge is right. Cull or not. If you like the dog then keep working it. But I see your point to. I have had several dogs that I thought were bad to the bone and before you know it I put them with someone else's dogs and get smoked.  Make my dogs look like the guy who holds the flashlight for the fella doing all the work. In particular a walker hound I had. Some days I wanted to shoot him. But on the same token I turned down big money offers for him. Luckily no one was ever with me and offering money on his "off" days. He was a hard headed smart ass dog. Some day's he'd be first strike , first tree. And others he'd run around acting like a dang idiot and wouldn't bark at a coon if it was tied to his balls. I see alot of your posts on here and you seem like a fella that knows what he wants.  I believe you'll have a pack you wouldn't take 10,000 for before long.  

[Slim9797]

Well maybe not the only way but definitely seems to be the easiest to me

[Slim9797]

Too many dogs that get it done out there to feed a bunch that don't

[Georgia-Hawgs]

We posted at the same time. But slim you pretty much said what I said. If you were closer id give you a dog to try.

[Slim9797]

Georgia I appreciate that a lot. I think I've come to figure out what I like in a dog. Cscott has a gyp named sassy. She's a year old 1/2 July 1/2 running walker and that dog to me is already everything I want in a dog. She's the one dog for me that I wish I could have 10 just like her. she's an all star at nothing but she's pretty good at everything. Her range, bottom, nose, and speed are all right on par with what I want.

[Georgia-Hawgs]

Maybe look Into some hounds or if you like em silent try some hound crosses. Although alot of them are still mouthy. I bet a man could make a hell of a dog with a hound x bulldog.  If he liked something rough. A hound has a natural "drive" most of the time. It's just in there blood to be that way. Kinda like some folks I know with a gsp as a pet. That sucker will point a whatever moves. He's just bred that way and never had any " training" but will still point.

[Judge peel]

Slim from what your saying to me sounds like you have been star struck. Like I said the fewer dogs you have the better you can see there progress and the more time on the ground for those two dogs. Now if you want to cut out Ten yrs of hard work save your money keep two dogs don't get anything else unless it's from some one like the fella you been hunting with gives you something. Let the boots hit the ground when the time is right the dog you want will be at hand or you will have made one with what you got. If you single out the the one best trait you want get a dog from some one who has that on a regular bases then the second best trait from one other dog then your on your way 


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[Slim9797]

Judge I've Definitely been star struck. Which i don't think is a bad thing. I saw what I want and now I'm on a mission to get it. So far all the feedback I've gotten on my dogs are that Im not doing too bad for only being in this a year. I have got my lady gyp and my buddy has a dozer dog. Those 2 we can turn out and if there's a hog around, them 2 will find it, now if it runs them senior citizens won't keep up for more than a mile or 2. So you see I've got the dogs that will find the hogs. I need some more hunt, some youth, and a whole lot of stopping power. I'm just looking for a couple young dogs that show some promise and would allow me to give the old dogs a day off every so often

[Judge peel]

Gotcha if your on a budget it's hard to get a good dog for cheap but it can be done. If you want big bottom I would look in to a hound or hound cross. There are some cuts with tons of bottom as well but in general I would lean towards hounds.  If you want stopping power there are many ways to that but keep in mind that the rougher the dog gets in general it takes off the range and bottom not always just as a general rule. A good mix of both will keep you in the grind as they say. I don't know where you live or hunt but you are more than welcome to hunt with me and see how I do it. I usely only need two or three dogs and most of the time don't need a catch dog. But I do things my own way that's what is great about this sport many ways to get it done. Best of luck to you young man


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[msriverrat]

Jmo but find a good line of curs and it may take awhile to get your hands on them but its worth the wait! It took two years of looking before i got the dogs i have now as pups,then lots hunting but im happy with them. They have run a hog for 5 hrs before shutting it down and   I can no longer hunt on foot and keep up. Keep looking its worth the wait.

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[Slim9797]

Slim idk where your going for these hunts with Chris but if you're hunting on his turf your dogs may not have a chance to be in front. When dogs hunt a certain area and catch consistently they tend to cheat. Meaning they skip point a and b and go straight to point c where they catch. Your dogs might still be on point a or b. I would take Chris and his dogs where you usually hunt and catch then compare. You might see a different outcome. If his dogs still dominate then I would start thinking of change. I recommend trying a rough bird dog. I think you'll like the results.


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blastin, it hurts my pride to tell you I just took Chris and his dogs south this past weekend to my neck of the woods.... And my dogs got SMOKED! lmao.  Also my buddy has a English setter cur cross that's pretty alright. She just needs to get back to hunting and get her legs back under her and some extra confidence. I've always kept an eye out for a gsp pup. I want one

[Slim9797]

Gotcha if your on a budget it's hard to get a good dog for cheap but it can be done. If you want big bottom I would look in to a hound or hound cross. There are some cuts with tons of bottom as well but in general I would lean towards hounds.  If you want stopping power there are many ways to that but keep in mind that the rougher the dog gets in general it takes off the range and bottom not always just as a general rule. A good mix of both will keep you in the grind as they say. I don't know where you live or hunt but you are more than welcome to hunt with me and see how I do it. I usely only need two or three dogs and most of the time don't need a catch dog. But I do things my own way that's what is great about this sport many ways to get it done. Best of luck to you young man


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I wouldn't say I'm on a budget so much as I don't want to buy another dog someone else made. If I gotta cull through 10 different 1 year old dogs that each cost me about $75 to find that one dog I think can be worth thousands. I won't complain. If in the end I have to spend $500-$750 and a little time to find the kind of dog I'm looking for, I'll look you in the eyes and promise you I came out ahead. I'm looking for a project dog. But it's gotta have a half way running motor and a straight body.  If it's got that I think I can make a decent dog out of it

[Judge peel]

Lol good stuff but all serous I would rather pay 200 or 300 from some one I know catches hogs with those dogs and have seen with my own eyes. Then go thru the random cookie jar to find a possible gem. No ? You can make one work I have done it but it's a long road to make a Nissan into a power stroke 


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[BA-IV]

I think you accomplished what few can in this sport and honestly realize that your pack is lacking and try to improve on what you're raising.  

I don't raise nor hunt exceptional dogs, but I've seen plenty hunt that you couldn't buy and culling hard regardless of what people say, is what it takes to own these type of dogs. I have and will continue to cull myself outta dogs if I have to.

[CRC]

You won't ever be 100% satisfied with what you got. There will always be something you wish they did a little better. Guarantee you Chris ain't 100% satisfied with what he's got either.

[Slim9797]

I think that's what I'm working towards doing. I got 1 litter I'm excited about fixing to drop and another one I'll be super amped about if she took. Just for now trying to fill the generation gap I have between 3+ yr old dogs and 3 month old pups. I'll for sure have to keep y'all updated on how this whole little plan I have works out for me. It might be a total bust or I could end up finding an all star. I'm hoping really to just find a pair that has the want to get out and hunt, if I find that I'm confident I can make a hand out of them!

[Slim9797]

And blastin. I've seen pics and stories of those dogs nanny slayer has and you are right, they appear to be getting it done for him. I imagine it's a cool feeling to catch a hog with dogs that you made the cross to get and worked and raised up. Hopefully soon I'll know exactly what it feels like. Any one else with any opinions or advice is welcome to respond. Happy hunting guys