jmaroon
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« on: February 11, 2016, 01:50:25 pm » |
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I have a gyp that has a heck of a nose, loads of drive and hates a pig. bays great, but has no grit.. she won't put teeth on a runner. are there any tricks to get a dog to get a little more grit? this dog would be the whole package if she could stop a runner..
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justincorbell
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2016, 03:11:50 pm » |
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I hate to be that guy but I honestly do not believe that "grit" is a trainable thing, much like range I believe grit is a trait a dog either was born with or without. Hopefully someone will come along that may have a different outlook on it but I just don't really know of any way to make a dog grittier.
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jdt
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2016, 06:24:25 pm » |
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idk how old a gyp your talking about but if you run her with rough dogs she might get rougher . on the other hand i agree with justin , i have a stepson that once stepped in a yeller jacket nest , got stung once and sat down and cried while getting stung repeatedly . i was watching from a safe distance waiting for him to get up and run .... i wound up having to go tote him out and got stung twice . my other 2 boys if they got stung would probably dive in the nest and try to kill every one of them sombeetches  i'm exagerating a little to prove a point ( however not much ) , its all genetics  |
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jmaroon
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2016, 06:33:21 pm » |
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She's 3.. other than the lack of grit, she's awesome
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Reuben
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2016, 07:14:45 pm » |
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many folks breed for that trait...hunt her by herself and use walk in catch dogs...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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Bo Pugh
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2016, 07:26:33 pm » |
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sounds like the kinda dog I like. She won't ever be in the injured pen and you will always have a dog to hunt with
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jmaroon
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2016, 07:29:50 pm » |
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Only problem is we have a lot of hard running hogs around south la..
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Goose87
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2016, 07:31:32 pm » |
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I'm in the same dilemma, for years I've bred, culled, and selected dogs that will get out and hunt and stick with a runner in the process losing the grit in my pack, now im of the school of thought that there are " rough" dogs and then there's dogs with "grit", the latter of the two being able to stop a hog and keep it bayed without repeatedly trying to catch it and continuing the running. I've been talking to a guy who was once a member of this forum who is developing a line of dogs that are bred specifically for speed and stopping power, within the next year or so I'm going to need an outcross and I'm going to add some of his stuff, to answer your question I don't think that is a learned trait, now I believe you can maybe sharpen their skills some but In my opinion your not going to be able teach "grit" to one.
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jdt
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2016, 08:03:59 pm » |
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all hoghunters and cowboys need a dog that has enuff grit to stop hogs and cattle and then back up and let them stay bayed . it's a fine line , if too many dogs find too few cattle it is a wreck untill them cattle find a bigger herd . a dog that can't make that bad boar respect it - same deal ,a wreck. these dogs are few . however some lines produce them and others don't . the perfect dog would bay a group of 20 # shoats and then catch the 1 you told him to 1 day and shut down a 2000 bramer bull and keep him bayed the next . i got a yard full of these kind for sale , they ain't cheap but they all come with a deed of your very own beach front property in arizona . |
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Reuben
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2016, 08:10:33 pm » |
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Yep...its a fine line...one dog working by itself might be perfect...2 of the same type can become bay busters...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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hillbilly
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2016, 08:12:11 pm » |
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You wanna sell the gyp? That's the kind I like.
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jmaroon
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2016, 08:47:29 am » |
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I thought about putting her in a bay pen with a real rough hog.. she's never had a scratch on her, she's been too quick so far, but if she got a poke or two, maybe she'd get rougher? 50 50 shot whether she gets rough or ruined.. anybody try this? how'd it work out..
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Mike
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2016, 09:03:28 am » |
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You'll probably ruin her... it's not worth trying.
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Judge peel
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2016, 09:15:01 am » |
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I am with mike don't do it. Just get a grittier dog to run with her that will bay once stopped
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Goose87
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2016, 10:44:28 am » |
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all hoghunters and cowboys need a dog that has enuff grit to stop hogs and cattle and then back up and let them stay bayed . it's a fine line , if too many dogs find too few cattle it is a wreck untill them cattle find a bigger herd . a dog that can't make that bad boar respect it - same deal ,a wreck. these dogs are few . however some lines produce them and others don't . the perfect dog would bay a group of 20 # shoats and then catch the 1 you told him to 1 day and shut down a 2000 bramer bull and keep him bayed the next . i got a yard full of these kind for sale , they ain't cheap but they all come with a deed of your very own beach front property in arizona . Your exactly right, that's the exact type of dog I'm going for with my curs, I think with the addition of this other line I've found, I believe thats the type of dogs that they will produce. If you don't mind me asking what line of dogs do you feed ? |
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2016, 04:44:06 pm » |
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i totally agree with mike and judge. dont ruin the dog. she is what she is and she might change on her own but i kinda doubt it.have you seen for sure that she wont at least nip a runner to try to make it turn so she can bay it again?
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Bo Pugh
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2016, 10:10:29 am » |
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I thought about putting her in a bay pen with a real rough hog.. she's never had a scratch on her, she's been too quick so far, but if she got a poke or two, maybe she'd get rougher? 50 50 shot whether she gets rough or ruined.. anybody try this? how'd it work out..
If the hog whooped on her that would prob make her more scared and she would definetly stay back further then. I think the best opion is get another dog to go with her. |
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jdt
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2016, 05:46:05 pm » |
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goose , my dogs go back thru clue anderson , ben jordan , bob owens , ricky driver . i'm told they originated in the big thicket . they're tight bred back to the big boy \ blondie cross .
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Goose87
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2016, 08:41:47 pm » |
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I have a good friend of mine that I bet would love to talk dogs with you, he's got a good deal of the same blood, not going to throw any names out about where he's gotten some from, he's a yella dog man whose pretty knowledgable about the history behind his dogs. It's always a friendly rivalry between us because I'm a spotted dog man.
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Shotgun wg
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2016, 10:04:01 pm » |
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You want a gritty dog get one. If the dog is 3 you know what it is. Don't try making it what it's not. I have some sure nuff rough catchy dogs. I also have loose back up and bay dogs. It doesn't matter if I run both packs together they will be what they are.
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