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« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2016, 06:57:00 pm » |
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Funny that that has been mentioned because I know in some articles you read on the history of the catahoula it speculates that they were part "Spanish" dog, red wolf, and something else. Interesting to say the least .
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« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2016, 07:08:01 pm » |
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I have always wondered if the American Leopard hound & the Catahoula came from common ancestors but were bred for different purposes. The Leopard hound being bred more for tree game & the Catahoula being bred more for a stock dog. What are your thoughts on this. I have always admired them & used to read all Richard Mcduffies articles that he wrote in Full Cry.
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« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2016, 09:21:12 am » |
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I strongly believe that the Catahoula and the Leopard Hound are/were the same dog and I believe most of them were brought from Spain. Looking at the most popular regions for these dogs, they are predominantly in the SE US, where the Spanish first came to the US. I believe many of these Spanish dogs moved from FL to Louisiana where they became popular- the Catahoula is the state dog of LA. Yes, many other dogs of different breeds were bred in long before record keeping.
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« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2016, 12:20:03 pm » |
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From all of the reading I have done I think I would agree with most of what is being said in regards to Cat's and American Leopard Curs originating from the same spanish and Native American dogs.
But in more modern times they have become very different breeds, I mean in my opinion there are very different strains within each of those breeds let alone the differences between the actual breeds. I think the two breeds went in very different directions and now they are like night and day different. Just my opinion not that one is better than the other just different from each other.
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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2016, 02:14:39 pm » |
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I also agree that these dogs have quite a bit of the native and Spanish influence from what I have read read in the past...at one time I almost bought in to the leopard cur (hound) but decided on the mt cur instead...
J. Richard McDuffie was a great writer and for many years I read his column first in full cry...the first I have read every since has been "National Majestic Tree Hound" column first...this month the Article is about hunting Jaguar in Arizona back in 1958...
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« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2016, 02:19:21 pm » |
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Ruben, were they targeting jaguar, or was it an incidental catch?
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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2016, 05:52:55 pm » |
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Me too Reuben. I read some articles from him and when searching for more stuff from him is how I accidentally found the gentleman that I got both of my McDuffie bred Leopard Curs from. Really great guy and friend.
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« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2016, 06:09:13 pm » |
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Me too Reuben. I read some articles from him and when searching for more stuff from him is how I accidentally found the gentleman that I got both of my McDuffie bred Leopard Curs from. Really great guy and friend.
I think you made a good choice... Liefalwepon...they were told of one that had been seen...the hunter was known to have some of the best cat dogs around so he and two other guys went hunting for it and the got their cat the next morning... The National Majestic column always has had a very short paragraph of the breed and right under that he will post a hunting article from way back...sometimes it can be about a good bear hunt or bobcat hunt etc...sometimes a coon hunt...I look forward to reading them... The story teller wrote that from 1917 until 1949 that only twelve were taken that were documented...Five of the twelve taken were within a 35 mile radius Nogales...I assume Nogales is in the mountains somewhere close to northern Mexico... |
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« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2016, 07:39:14 pm » |
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This old jaguar picture came off of Predator Masters using UBB.threads. Picture comes from a man that went to Costa Rica on vacation and seen it hanging up on the wall. This picture is dated 1920.  |
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« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2016, 08:05:54 pm » |
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thanks for sharing that picture Mike...I googled the address written across the bottom of the picture thinking southern Mexico or central America....according to the picture it looks like Las Palmas, Coasta Rica...that is a big healthy looking male...
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« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2016, 08:57:16 pm » |
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yes it is Reuben. I was looking for old pictures from mexico or south american that had any pics of the old dogs they used for jaguars or big game and found this one and a few others. I like this one because of the look of the dog on the left.
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« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2016, 08:57:24 pm » |
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That is an amazing pic, that is a bad cat right there.
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« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2016, 12:04:02 pm » |
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Google the Lee brothers they were big game hunters in the early to mid 1900's lots of good jaguar hunting stories
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« Reply #53 on: March 01, 2016, 06:11:22 pm » |
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Steve Mathis who Wrote the book "Brave" was a Lion hunter out of california & he also went down to So. America a lot & guided for Jaguars. Good book.
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« Reply #54 on: March 01, 2016, 06:48:17 pm » |
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Steve Mathis who Wrote the book "Brave" was a Lion hunter out of california & he also went down to So. America a lot & guided for Jaguars. Good book.
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« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2016, 06:54:42 pm » |
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Me too Reuben. I read some articles from him and when searching for more stuff from him is how I accidentally found the gentleman that I got both of my McDuffie bred Leopard Curs from. Really great guy and friend.
I don't know if it was you or someone else asking about Meeks Leopards... in his ad he says he has been breeding them for bear, cat and coon for over 50 years...I believe he has pups now... Lamar Meeks, 912-682-3995... |
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« Reply #56 on: March 01, 2016, 08:48:12 pm » |
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Book called the Greatest Guide talks about the Lee brothers lots of good hunting stories including a lot of jaguar hunting
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« Reply #57 on: March 01, 2016, 08:52:01 pm » |
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Me too Reuben. I read some articles from him and when searching for more stuff from him is how I accidentally found the gentleman that I got both of my McDuffie bred Leopard Curs from. Really great guy and friend.
I don't know if it was you or someone else asking about Meeks Leopards... in his ad he says he has been breeding them for bear, cat and coon for over 50 years...I believe he has pups now... Lamar Meeks, 912-682-3995... No that was a different gentleman on this thread. The guy I got mine from got his directly from Richard McDuffie himself and has been breeding them. He owns the ALCBA now. I know of him but not very familiar with his line. I am still learning all the bloodlines of this breed. I like the ones that really look like curs and are not very houndy. Do you know which type his leans more towards? I have only heard good things about him though. |
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« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2016, 06:49:44 pm » |
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That's Randy Oller out in California.
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« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2016, 10:48:37 pm » |
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That's Randy Oller out in California.
Yeah that is who I got both of mine from. I know about his line as I am proud to call him a friend and talk to him regularly. Me too Reuben. I read some articles from him and when searching for more stuff from him is how I accidentally found the gentleman that I got both of my McDuffie bred Leopard Curs from. Really great guy and friend.
I don't know if it was you or someone else asking about Meeks Leopards... in his ad he says he has been breeding them for bear, cat and coon for over 50 years...I believe he has pups now... Lamar Meeks, 912-682-3995... No that was a different gentleman on this thread. The guy I got mine from got his directly from Richard McDuffie himself and has been breeding them. He owns the ALCBA now. I know of him but not very familiar with his line. I am still learning all the bloodlines of this breed. I like the ones that really look like curs and are not very houndy. Do you know which type his leans more towards? I have only heard good things about him though. I'm sorry I wasn't very clear I was asking about Mr. Meeks line of Leopard curs. I don't know much about him or his line of dogs though I have heard nothing but good things about him. Mike Rogers does Mr. Meeks line lean more toward the cur side or does his have more hound bred in? |
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