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CHRIS H.
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« on: May 26, 2016, 09:39:52 am » |
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For those that bay and shoot .. whats yalls method to gun fire into ?
With bird dogs the best way I've been taught to associate gun fire with birds. I start off with them chasing the bird and shooting a .22 blank as they're running. They get so focused on the chase the gun fire means nothing .. If you get one that looks back or gives you any indication that it's bothered by it , time to back off for a while . Before to long if they're in a kennel or a dog box and hear gun fire they're going crazy to get out and go hunt
I know a lot of pros make a lot of money off of people taking their bird dog to the gun range to " see if it was gun shy " ..
I myself have had a dog that was introduced the wrong way to gun fire ( had a gun shot in his face while on point ) and it was to the point to where if he smelt quail he knew gun fire was next so he'd come find me and stand next to me like a trash broke dog telling on young dogs .
So do y'all start off with a small caliber while baying ?
Just shoot a gun around the dog and hope it doesn't run and hide under something ?
Just really curious about it
thanks !
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Cajun
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2016, 02:52:49 pm » |
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Chris, back when I was fooling with a lot of Labs, I always fire red 22 Blanks off when I fed them. Never had a gun-shy Lab but have had several Plotts that were mostly due to bad shooting on the hunters part & not waiting until we got the young dogs back. Had one idiot with a AR-l5 & shot about 5 times scaring the hell out of some young dogs.
Now my Grandsons are always popping their bull whips & the young dogs have gotten so used to them, it never bothers them anymore.
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parker49
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2016, 03:33:05 pm » |
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we hardly ever shoot anymore on hogs..... but when training a dog for shooting over I take a caged coon or squirrel tie them close to the tree let them get to fighting the squirrel or coon and pull it up ......as they are treeing it or baying it shoot while letting it down to the dog I'm sure a bird in a small cage would do as well...it don't take long and they associate the shot with the animal comeing down to them and they flat run looking for game when you shoot ..I always tie the dog to start with... in the baypen on hogs I clap and make it break same thing they associate the clap or loud pop with the hog running and chase ...like I said I don't worry with it on hogs we hardly ever shoot one .....
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justincorbell
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2016, 03:55:06 pm » |
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Chris, back when I was fooling with a lot of Labs, I always fire red 22 Blanks off when I fed them. Never had a gun-shy Lab but have had several Plotts that were mostly due to bad shooting on the hunters part & not waiting until we got the young dogs back. Had one idiot with a AR-l5 & shot about 5 times scaring the hell out of some young dogs.
Now my Grandsons are always popping their bull whips & the young dogs have gotten so used to them, it never bothers them anymore.
Bingo, thats exactly what I was about to say. I start out banging pots or pans together loudly right before I feed em, they associate the noise with food pretty quick. Then after a couple weeks I start using .22 blanks. I will feed then walk off and shoot a couple times 60-70yds away, they rarely even flinch, over the period of a couple weeks I will gradually get closer as I shoot, before they know it I am standing next to them shooting it and they pay it zero attention. |
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parker49
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2016, 04:50:14 pm » |
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I would want my dogs reaction to be looking for game when I shoot not me for food ..... that's just me ....
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justincorbell
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2016, 08:48:24 pm » |
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I hear ya on that however 99.999% of the time if i shoot i want my dogs coming back to me. I rarely ever shoot anyhow but if i do i want them coming back. The few times i have bayed and shot over my dogs i havent had an issue with em coming off the hog, to be honest just about everytime i have shot the hog they pile on it immediately after the shot.....havent really figured out why but they do....
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2016, 09:55:09 pm » |
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[quote author=justincorbell link=topic=93950.msg547545#msg547545
to be honest just about everytime i have shot the hog they pile on it immediately after the shot.....havent really figured out why but they do....
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That has been my experience as well...
I start out calling my pups to me and they come running for a treat...after 3 or 4 times of that the next time I fire the 22 pistol using blanks...I watch the pups carefully and adjust accordingly...after 4 or 5 times I can shoot in their mist...I then do this a few more times just to refresh their minds...this helps quite a bit when shooting over them...if I wanted rock solid dogs that were totally broke to gunfire I would increase the amount of early training...but I am not in it for competition...I get excellent results...
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parker49
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2016, 10:47:35 pm » |
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I want mine to look for the game I'm shooting at and catch it .......if not you may loose the game .....when I watch bird hunter's on tv looks like to me when they bust a bird out there the dogs hone in on it and go get it ..... I wonder why gun break them to come to you ?
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justincorbell
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2016, 07:19:07 am » |
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I want mine to look for the game I'm shooting at and catch it .......if not you may loose the game .....when I watch bird hunter's on tv looks like to me when they bust a bird out there the dogs hone in on it and go get it ..... I wonder why gun break them to come to you ?
In the event they get somewhere that they are not supposed to be, it has saved me alot of trouble more than once. And like i said, in the rare case that i do shoot a hog (once this year) over them they pile on it, they aren't college graduates by any means but they are smart enough to tell the difference between me shooting a hog in front of em and my being a 1/2 mile or more from em shootin in the air and hollerin em in. |
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CHRIS H.
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2016, 08:58:03 am » |
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Thanks for all the replies y'all ! I didn't want to take over the other thread on pup development and thought this topic might be beneficial to others and myself
.. i've always wondered how others approached gun fire mainly because I've seen how absolutely crucial proper gun fire intro is in the bird dog world
Thanks !
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parker49
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chris you hunt german shorthairs ? if so I bought a solid colored liver female from Kirby rush in Kansas .... I have part curdogs and part bulldogs with that blood in them ...just a pet project ..... some of them made real good dogs .....
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CHRIS H.
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Parker49 I have 2 gsps .. And I run them with field trial people and in field trials.  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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It is hard to beat the confirmation on Pointers, English or GSP. They are physically top specimens for the most part.
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beautiful dogs ...mine was solid in color and some of the crosses where solid black ....I mean inside of there mouths was jet black gums around the teeth and all ....I've seen dogs with black in the roof of there mouths but these were completely black anybody ever see that ?
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Thanks Cajun thanks Parker ! Those two dogs are pretty much polar opposites.. The one with the ribbon comes from show dog / hunting background .. And will be tuff to finish The one on point is 9 months old and already finding lots of wild coveys for me .. Not to mention naturally backing ( he will stand still as soon as he sees another dog go on point ) . He comes from field trial blood lines and is showing lots of promise so far ..    Backing ^ .. The entire litter does it naturally and it will get further apart with more birds . It's basically honoring the other dogs point . They know the other dog is stopped because of game and if they keep moving up they'll flush or run the game off . Genetically I think that's amazing Parker I haven't seen any black mouth gsps but that's not to say they aren't out there . There's soo many different lines and they all got something different to offer Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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beautiful dogs ...mine was solid in color and some of the crosses where solid black ....I mean inside of there mouths was jet black gums around the teeth and all ....I've seen dogs with black in the roof of there mouths but these were completely black anybody ever see that ?
Cant say that i have seen any jet black like that, sound like some pretty dogs. |
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