Big dogs and thick brush myth

[Goose87]

I didn't say your dogs could not get through swamps, I said they would be no faster than mine in the swamps. Your dogs would be hard pressed to outrun him on open flat ground. You started all this mess by implying that if we could not catch hogs in the open, we could not catch them in the woods. It's easy to catch them in the open, if you have fast dogs and most good bred stock dogs are very fast. A wild hogs top speed is around 28 to 30 mph. A young crossbred heifer can run that fast or faster and these dogs blow by them and stop them from running off all the time. You may have good dogs but lots of other people do to. They can catch just as many as you do, in the open or in the brush. We just like dogs that are not one dimensional. We can catch hogs, pen the hogs, pen the cows, hunt other game and they guard the place and livestock from two legged and four legged varmints when they are laying around the house and lots of them can jump over the side of the truck.

Good response big O, Dean I have to ask why is is so important for you to get people to convert to your "style" of dogs, some folks like Chevy some dodge and some ford, you know what all 3 have in common, they get you where your going, I can appreciate dogs of your style and enjoy reading about them and watching videos but there's nothing in this world that will convince me that style of dogs is going to put my style to shame where I live unless I witness it first hand with my own two eyes done consistently, yes I believe your dogs are agile and can move through brush quickly but I have good cur dogs that can do that to, the difference between a finder/holder and a good cur is a good cur wi have the nose to continue on with hog for hours if needed running off scent...


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   I'm not trying to convert anybody.    I'm trying to stop the spread of misinformation and doing so by teaching  and sharing info.           I really can't think of a better way to dispell myths.         I feild a question now and then to someone asking a specific question such as how to catch pigs on small places instead of  loosing them across property line.     Then when I do that it turns into a debate about my dogs vs others dogs.        So seeing the need for proper information, I'm trying to share about my dogs, both the good and the bad.      Pros and Cons.      I'm not advocating people switch to my style.   I actually don't encourage most anybody to do so because just having the proper dogs is not good enough, you need to know how to hunt them.      Most people not gonna put the effort into proper dogs or get their heads wrapped around the proper hunt style.    Thus it would be counter productive for me to advocate people go this route.    However, what's wrong with getting the correct information out there.          There are a few people like I was who thirst for information about these dogs and this style of hunting.     What not a better place to come for information on pig dogs and pig dogging than this forum?    Am I wrong?        This is a new thing to a lot of people.   why can't this be a good source to obtain the truth and dispell the myths?     That's my approach and why I'm saying and sharing what I am.

I can appreciate but I think it's the way you go about trying to "give" your information, I think its great sharing knowledge,I, like yourself have a
Never quenching thirst for knowledge...


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[Black Streak]

It's not a myth it is a fact that a big dog in a bad thicket can not perform like a small dog in a bad thicket

    Now this is a very very fine example what I'm talking about.      Emotion taking the place of reason.    Perfect limbic brain example trying to be passed off as a neocortex.    You would think such a very strong statement would be followed up with and supported by logic but emotional responses such as this are not gonna  have much logic to them.     Probably why the person gets so made, they can't defend their position and resort to emotion over reason.         This is no the way to have a descussion.      If you can't back up what your trying to sell as factual with logic, then how are we to have a descussion.   Just because you say it's fact and you offer no supporting evidence to back it up, doesn't lend much credibility to your position.    it's just all based on an emotional response.      Prime example is the black lives matter movement.      You can't reason with them, they won't accept a logical descussion and they deny facts or facts just don't matter to them.    They speak loudly because they want to be heard but when they speak, no logic comes out, it's all emotional responses.   The more logic you say to them, the more upset they become.        You can't talk or reason with a person like this because they are gonna ignore logic and facts and feed you an emotional response in return for your efforts.

[Black Streak]

You see, the thing about "teaching" is you have to know your "students"....there are some folks commenting on this thread that have used dogs on livestock and in the woods longer than most of the others have been alive.. Personally, I reckon they know a thing or two that maybe the "teacher" don't.

It would be prudent for all to choose their "teachers" wisely....

     You mean like the guy who said speed was mental lol
  Cow dogs and other livestock dogs are not the same subject matter as the hunting and catch dogs I'm speaking of.    I think you have your teacher and classrooms confused.      Not very effective to have an algebra teacher teaching history would you say?   Kinda the hole point I'm making about how different the styles are and dogs are.    Just not the same course my friend.    For example, just because I know what I do about finder holders and stags, doesn't give me expert knowledge on hounds.       Different course requires different teacher.   Simple really and again common sense.

[joshg223]

It's not a myth it is a fact that a big dog in a bad thicket can not perform like a small dog in a bad thicket

    Now this is a very very fine example what I'm talking about.      Emotion taking the place of reason.    Perfect limbic brain example trying to be passed off as a neocortex.    You would think such a very strong statement would be followed up with and supported by logic but emotional responses such as this are not gonna  have much logic to them.     Probably why the person gets so made, they can't defend their position and resort to emotion over reason.         This is no the way to have a descussion.      If you can't back up what your trying to sell as factual with logic, then how are we to have a descussion.   Just because you say it's fact and you offer no supporting evidence to back it up, doesn't lend much credibility to your position.    it's just all based on an emotional response.      Prime example is the black lives matter movement.      You can't reason with them, they won't accept a logical descussion and they deny facts or facts just don't matter to them.    They speak loudly because they want to be heard but when they speak, no logic comes out, it's all emotional responses.   The more logic you say to them, the more upset they become.        You can't talk or reason with a person like this because they are gonna ignore logic and facts and feed you an emotional response in return for your efforts.

I have owned 2 dogs that were #100 while they were both from proven line of dogs and were both very nice catch dogs, I caught lots of hogs with them but my smaller CDs were much quicker to the bay in the thick stuff the smaller dogs would always beat the big dogs. I have seen the same thing behind numerous other big dogs over the years and these were not the backyard out of shape dogs you keep mentioning. I'm not going to say every smaller dog will beat every dog dog every time but I will say that the smaller cd will do a lot better getting hooked up in the brush better than the big dog because I have personally seen it with my own two eyes over and over again


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[Judge peel]

Lol bubba gas was 4 bucks back then gulf war then it dropped to 225 to 275 off post. I rember going to Cali and being glad it was 2 bucks it might have been 50 cents in the 50ds lol


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[hyan]

hyan, I've dumped my dogs on a 30 head sounder and had them run by them 'till they got to the front and stop them all in the field. Now I don't know how fast that was, but it was fast enough. If I had put catch dog in them, they would have caught the first hogs they came to. That and running hogs down and stopping them in the open is done by stock bred dogs all the time. Some dogs are very fast and not just crossed up running dogs. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
    Very few dogs can run 43mph. Only 30% of greyhounds bred to race make the grade and 43 to 45mph wins many races. There used to be a Greyhound brush track near my home where they ran match races on Thursday nights. Never saw anyone bring a stag and bet their money. There were a good many Stags around in those days. They used them on rabbits and Coyotes. Wild hogs were not in that part of the country then.
    

Wait so you are telling me what finderholders can't do but just said that pigs were not even apart of the country yet? And this is in you life time so let's say your talking about the 50s idk how old you are my family has bin ranching kapapala ranch over a 142 years and have bin running dogs from that time to work cattle then would take the most ruff crazy stupid dogs didn't matter the breed to hunt pigs as finderholders so if my family has bin run these type dogs that long and you didn't even have them in your county how can you say that curs are better? Never mind this is pointless nothing can compare to curs end of story a cur can outrun a gray hound a rough cur can go one off and hold a pig for hours and can run a pig for miles and never get tired a cur can out run and stop any pig that comes in its nose and is just so good that you only have to breed for looks o and there "mental" and a finderholder can do none of that if a finderholder even gets in the presence of a cur it will cower in amazement and ask the cur to sign it's brestplate period facts are facts

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[parker49]

I've seen big dogs come out with vines and briars dragging behind them and quit the race in hot weather..... even my smaller dogs the whole underside of them will be  raw  where the briars eat them up ......  

[hyan]

Lol bubba gas was 4 bucks back then gulf war then it dropped to 225 to 275 off post. I rember going to Cali and being glad it was 2 bucks it might have been 50 cents in the 50ds lol


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Lol maybe it was $2 I was trying to make a point don't judge me!

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[hyan]

Lol bubba gas was 4 bucks back then gulf war then it dropped to 225 to 275 off post. I rember going to Cali and being glad it was 2 bucks it might have been 50 cents in the 50ds lol


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Sorry no manners should have said this first MUCH MAHALO for your service

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[NLAhunter]

You see, the thing about "teaching" is you have to know your "students"....there are some folks commenting on this thread that have used dogs on livestock and in the woods longer than most of the others have been alive.. Personally, I reckon they know a thing or two that maybe the "teacher" don't.

It would be prudent for all to choose their "teachers" wisely....

     You mean like the guy who said speed was mental lol
  Cow dogs and other livestock dogs are not the same subject matter as the hunting and catch dogs I'm speaking of.    I think you have your teacher and classrooms confused.      Not very effective to have an algebra teacher teaching history would you say?   Kinda the hole point I'm making about how different the styles are and dogs are.    Just not the same course my friend.    For example, just because I know what I do about finder holders and stags, doesn't give me expert knowledge on hounds.       Different course requires different teacher.   Simple really and again common sense.

here cowdogs and hog dogs has always been same dogs. When I was younger we would find bay and pen cattle for 2 days load up same dogs and go hog hunting on the 3 rd day find bay and catch hogs all with same ole stock breed cur dogs. I don't fool with cows much any more but still several people here still doing same thing with the same cur dogs that have been bread same way for last 60 years or more

[Reuben]

Lol bubba gas was 4 bucks back then gulf war then it dropped to 225 to 275 off post. I rember going to Cali and being glad it was 2 bucks it might have been 50 cents in the 50ds lol


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back in the early sixties diesel was dirt cheap because it was a byproduct...gas was 27 cents a gallon and sometimes there were price wars and gas stations would have it at 19 cents a gallon or lower...

when unleaded first came out around the mid 1970's it was cheaper than regular...some said because they didn't add lead...but all that is a bunch of bull...it is about supply and demand...

[l.h.cracker]

This is ridiculous!Finder holders this finder holder that!Once again nothing new There are Cur Dogs Here In The States That Do Exactly What You Guys Keep Trying To Say Is New.Hyan I believe that you are hunting with some of the best bred bay dog's there are but you have no ground to stand on making broad statements against cur dog's and That goes for you as well Blackstreack.You guys run 2 dog's that find and catch and so do thousands of other people right here in the States.Cur dog's!Some of the old line's around me are very large as well The Dad to my Dozer pup was 95lbs and straight catch many people here don't even own a bulldog I do because I also have some baydogs and even a cold nosed hound.The longer I do this the more I realize that being one dimensional with your dog's,hunting and thought processes keeps you from being able to adapt and catch hogs anywhere you go.Example I started running straight catch dog's Curs and also well bred pits that put down 20 + miles a hunt and out performed many other dog's I still own these dog's and I walk hunted mainly but now I hunt some larger tracts of land as well with pine thicket and chop like these guy's speak of huge impenetrable blocks some blocks as large as a few thousand acres there may be a swamp or something in the center of that block and there may be hogs in there but it's impractical to walk in and find out.So you adapt you get casting dog's like the ones I have now that I can send in the block and whether it be 2 miles across it I will know if there's hogs in there.If not pick up and move on to the next.The club I hunted last week was 48,000 acres of this not very many tracks on the road or sign period but I caught 4 hogs behind my loose casting dog's and I know for a fact that my shorter ranging straight catch dog's would have had a hard time there don't get me wrong I could've busted the brush with them and caught a hog or two but it just wasn't the best way.When I hunt some of my smaller tracts of land I just bring my straight catch shorter ranging dog's and by shorter ranging I mean hunting 3-500 yds.I know that straight catch dog's work I own them  and they don't have to be from outside the country we got em here but there are places where they will be outperformed by a different styles dog and that's a fact.Also Hairy Holder told me he flew dog's to Hawaii so I am just passing on the info said it wasn't that costly.

[hyan]

This is ridiculous!Finder holders this finder holder that!Once again nothing new There are Cur Dogs Here In The States That Do Exactly What You Guys Keep Trying To Say Is New.Hyan I believe that you are hunting with some of the best bred bay dog's there are but you have no ground to stand on making broad statements against cur dog's and That goes for you as well Blackstreack.You guys run 2 dog's that find and catch and so do thousands of other people right here in the States.Cur dog's!Some of the old line's around me are very large as well The Dad to my Dozer pup was 95lbs and straight catch many people here don't even own a bulldog I do because I also have some baydogs and even a cold nosed hound.The longer I do this the more I realize that being one dimensional with your dog's,hunting and thought processes keeps you from being able to adapt and catch hogs anywhere you go.Example I started running straight catch dog's Curs and also well bred pits that put down 20 + miles a hunt and out performed many other dog's I still own these dog's and I walk hunted mainly but now I hunt some larger tracts of land as well with pine thicket and chop like these guy's speak of huge impenetrable blocks some blocks as large as a few thousand acres there may be a swamp or something in the center of that block and there may be hogs in there but it's impractical to walk in and find out.So you adapt you get casting dog's like the ones I have now that I can send in the block and whether it be 2 miles across it I will know if there's hogs in there.If not pick up and move on to the next.The club I hunted last week was 48,000 acres of this not very many tracks on the road or sign period but I caught 4 hogs behind my loose casting dog's and I know for a fact that my shorter ranging straight catch dog's would have had a hard time there don't get me wrong I could've busted the brush with them and caught a hog or two but it just wasn't the best way.When I hunt some of my smaller tracts of land I just bring my straight catch shorter ranging dog's and by shorter ranging I mean hunting 3-500 yds.I know that straight catch dog's work I own them  and they don't have to be from outside the country we got em here but there are places where they will be outperformed by a different styles dog and that's a fact.Also Hairy Holder told me he flew dog's to Hawaii so I am just passing on the info said it wasn't that costly.

Wait so you own finderholders there just short range so because yours are short range there are no long range finderholders? And I am not saying curs suck or can't find pigs they can.could your 95 pound cur dog out run a well bred 95 pound running dog cross like a stag/gray/deer/wolf or gray/shepherd/wippet/cat? I don't think so that's the point I was getting at I know there cur catch dogs I have seen them a friend of mine has some super and I mean super rough curs that find and hold pigs for as long as he let's them bad ass dogs but there not 100 pounds and fast as a running dog there in shape 55-65 pound dogs mike runs cur that will die before they leave a pig that they had started another set of bad ass cur dogs I know that curs work I am trying to point out that there not the only ones that can go out find pigs and hold them while you walk 1600 yards you like your curs keep your curs it's the right wing conspiracy that I am trying to say there's no place for curs if some one wants to know about finder holders that are not cur then black, hairy ,centex,txboardog,myself would be able to answer questions just like if I wanted to know about curs I would ask well mike first of course then mr.vice then you and judge and lastly of course parker cus he's a meany

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[Judge peel]

Here is my striker catcher lol. Not a hairy dog or a fast dog. But a hog wrecker needs no help.


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[NLAhunter]

That's a good looking striker catcher too

[l.h.cracker]

This is ridiculous!Finder holders this finder holder that!Once again nothing new There are Cur Dogs Here In The States That Do Exactly What You Guys Keep Trying To Say Is New.Hyan I believe that you are hunting with some of the best bred bay dog's there are but you have no ground to stand on making broad statements against cur dog's and That goes for you as well Blackstreack.You guys run 2 dog's that find and catch and so do thousands of other people right here in the States.Cur dog's!Some of the old line's around me are very large as well The Dad to my Dozer pup was 95lbs and straight catch many people here don't even own a bulldog I do because I also have some baydogs and even a cold nosed hound.The longer I do this the more I realize that being one dimensional with your dog's,hunting and thought processes keeps you from being able to adapt and catch hogs anywhere you go.Example I started running straight catch dog's Curs and also well bred pits that put down 20 + miles a hunt and out performed many other dog's I still own these dog's and I walk hunted mainly but now I hunt some larger tracts of land as well with pine thicket and chop like these guy's speak of huge impenetrable blocks some blocks as large as a few thousand acres there may be a swamp or something in the center of that block and there may be hogs in there but it's impractical to walk in and find out.So you adapt you get casting dog's like the ones I have now that I can send in the block and whether it be 2 miles across it I will know if there's hogs in there.If not pick up and move on to the next.The club I hunted last week was 48,000 acres of this not very many tracks on the road or sign period but I caught 4 hogs behind my loose casting dog's and I know for a fact that my shorter ranging straight catch dog's would have had a hard time there don't get me wrong I could've busted the brush with them and caught a hog or two but it just wasn't the best way.When I hunt some of my smaller tracts of land I just bring my straight catch shorter ranging dog's and by shorter ranging I mean hunting 3-500 yds.I know that straight catch dog's work I own them  and they don't have to be from outside the country we got em here but there are places where they will be outperformed by a different styles dog and that's a fact.Also Hairy Holder told me he flew dog's to Hawaii so I am just passing on the info said it wasn't that costly.

Wait so you own finderholders there just short range so because yours are short range there are no long range finderholders? And I am not saying curs suck or can't find pigs they can.could your 95 pound cur dog out run a well bred 95 pound running dog cross like a stag/gray/deer/wolf or gray/shepherd/wippet/cat? I don't think so that's the point I was getting at I know there cur catch dogs I have seen them a friend of mine has some super and I mean super rough curs that find and hold pigs for as long as he let's them bad ass dogs but there not 100 pounds and fast as a running dog there in shape 55-65 pound dogs mike runs cur that will die before they leave a pig that they had started another set of bad ass cur dogs I know that curs work I am trying to point out that there not the only ones that can go out find pigs and hold them while you walk 1600 yards you like your curs keep your curs it's the right wing conspiracy that I am trying to say there's no place for curs if some one wants to know about finder holders that are not cur then black, hairy ,centex,txboardog,myself would be able to answer questions just like if I wanted to know about curs I would ask well mike first of course then mr.vice then you and judge and lastly of course parker cus he's a meany

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What are you talking about I never said that my dog's won't run a hog and catch him a mile out I said that the rougher dog's I own hunt at 3-500 yds which I like never said they ain't got bottom.I have had dog's caught for well over a hr with no injury.I was saying that it's nothing new here just called rough Curs not finder holder's.I speak with Dean and respect him for his knowledge and studies of his dog's but once again they're nothing new here just called something else.I would not ask for your advice Hyan because I don't believe you are totally truthful about your daddy's dog's size and age of starting the dog in that picture ain't 4 months old and catching rank board also I highly doubt that you're getting 120-30 lb dog's out of the crosses you speak of.Probably due to your age and a bit of hot headedness and I understand that but if I was asking for advice on your daddy's dog's I would ask him.As for what I posted about having many different styles and types of dog's for different situations I believe in it because I have seen it and unless your finder holder's will cast a mile into hell with no sign then they wouldn't catch hogs where I hunted last week.I also mainly hunt at night and my rough Curs have to trail fast not just run fast I have hunted places where hogs don't run like you speak of in Hawaii and it's easy to catch them no matter how thick the country but 99%of the places we hunt the hogs have seen a dog and run through palmetto and anything else that is nasty thick.so a fast trailing dog is needed which it sounds like your daddy has but so do we nothing new here.

[hyan]

This is ridiculous!Finder holders this finder holder that!Once again nothing new There are Cur Dogs Here In The States That Do Exactly What You Guys Keep Trying To Say Is New.Hyan I believe that you are hunting with some of the best bred bay dog's there are but you have no ground to stand on making broad statements against cur dog's and That goes for you as well Blackstreack.You guys run 2 dog's that find and catch and so do thousands of other people right here in the States.Cur dog's!Some of the old line's around me are very large as well The Dad to my Dozer pup was 95lbs and straight catch many people here don't even own a bulldog I do because I also have some baydogs and even a cold nosed hound.The longer I do this the more I realize that being one dimensional with your dog's,hunting and thought processes keeps you from being able to adapt and catch hogs anywhere you go.Example I started running straight catch dog's Curs and also well bred pits that put down 20 + miles a hunt and out performed many other dog's I still own these dog's and I walk hunted mainly but now I hunt some larger tracts of land as well with pine thicket and chop like these guy's speak of huge impenetrable blocks some blocks as large as a few thousand acres there may be a swamp or something in the center of that block and there may be hogs in there but it's impractical to walk in and find out.So you adapt you get casting dog's like the ones I have now that I can send in the block and whether it be 2 miles across it I will know if there's hogs in there.If not pick up and move on to the next.The club I hunted last week was 48,000 acres of this not very many tracks on the road or sign period but I caught 4 hogs behind my loose casting dog's and I know for a fact that my shorter ranging straight catch dog's would have had a hard time there don't get me wrong I could've busted the brush with them and caught a hog or two but it just wasn't the best way.When I hunt some of my smaller tracts of land I just bring my straight catch shorter ranging dog's and by shorter ranging I mean hunting 3-500 yds.I know that straight catch dog's work I own them  and they don't have to be from outside the country we got em here but there are places where they will be outperformed by a different styles dog and that's a fact.Also Hairy Holder told me he flew dog's to Hawaii so I am just passing on the info said it wasn't that costly.

Wait so you own finderholders there just short range so because yours are short range there are no long range finderholders? And I am not saying curs suck or can't find pigs they can.could your 95 pound cur dog out run a well bred 95 pound running dog cross like a stag/gray/deer/wolf or gray/shepherd/wippet/cat? I don't think so that's the point I was getting at I know there cur catch dogs I have seen them a friend of mine has some super and I mean super rough curs that find and hold pigs for as long as he let's them bad ass dogs but there not 100 pounds and fast as a running dog there in shape 55-65 pound dogs mike runs cur that will die before they leave a pig that they had started another set of bad ass cur dogs I know that curs work I am trying to point out that there not the only ones that can go out find pigs and hold them while you walk 1600 yards you like your curs keep your curs it's the right wing conspiracy that I am trying to say there's no place for curs if some one wants to know about finder holders that are not cur then black, hairy ,centex,txboardog,myself would be able to answer questions just like if I wanted to know about curs I would ask well mike first of course then mr.vice then you and judge and lastly of course parker cus he's a meany

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What are you talking about I never said that my dog's won't run a hog and catch him a mile out I said that the rougher dog's I own hunt at 3-500 yds which I like never said they ain't got bottom.I have had dog's caught for well over a hr with no injury.I was saying that it's nothing new here just called rough Curs not finder holder's.I speak with Dean and respect him for his knowledge and studies of his dog's but once again they're nothing new here just called something else.I would not ask for your advice Hyan because I don't believe you are totally truthful about your daddy's dog's size and age of starting the dog in that picture ain't 4 months old and catching rank board also I highly doubt that you're getting 120-30 lb dog's out of the crosses you speak of.Probably due to your age and a bit of hot headedness and I understand that but if I was asking for advice on your daddy's dog's I would ask him.As for what I posted about having many different styles and types of dog's for different situations I believe in it because I have seen it and unless your finder holder's will cast a mile into hell with no sign then they wouldn't catch hogs where I hunted last week.I also mainly hunt at night and my rough Curs have to trail fast not just run fast I have hunted places where hogs don't run like you speak of in Hawaii and it's easy to catch them no matter how thick the country but 99%of the places we hunt the hogs have seen a dog and run through palmetto and anything else that is nasty thick.so a fast trailing dog is needed which it sounds like your daddy has but so do we nothing new here.

Your right I know nothing and I lie about it all you have bin to hawaii? Hunted the big island? Seen me run my dogs? Just because you don't run dogs at 4 moths old can't be done right?a gray hound/shepherd can't be over 100 pounds right? And then put a cat that looks almost identical to judges dog he just posted that was breed In to the line right? So because I am only 24 I don't know anything about hogging or running dogs? And just make up storys? OK so I should just say your an old man that's full of number 2 because I never hunted with you or your dog's so every thing you say must be bullnumber 2 and if you have kids they don't know number 2 about huntkng to cus there daddy never taught them nothing? No I am not stupid of course youelr kids know stuff about dogs if they bin hunting all there life and there dad though them of couse I am not going to call bullnumber 2 on your dog's when you post pics why because I never seen them nor have I hunted with them hell for all I know your a 10 year boy typing behind a computer why cus I don't know you so don't talk about me or where I hunt or how big or small my dogs are or the size of pigs there are If you never bin there and I said we had big dogs but I never said that every dog we had was 150 are dogs average around 100/110 I have a shepherd in my kennel that is 86 pounds and he's 7 moths old so don't worry about asking me anything I have nothing else to say have fun with your curs(that you SAY you have) and I'll go on about my business

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[hyan]

This is ridiculous!Finder holders this finder holder that!Once again nothing new There are Cur Dogs Here In The States That Do Exactly What You Guys Keep Trying To Say Is New.Hyan I believe that you are hunting with some of the best bred bay dog's there are but you have no ground to stand on making broad statements against cur dog's and That goes for you as well Blackstreack.You guys run 2 dog's that find and catch and so do thousands of other people right here in the States.Cur dog's!Some of the old line's around me are very large as well The Dad to my Dozer pup was 95lbs and straight catch many people here don't even own a bulldog I do because I also have some baydogs and even a cold nosed hound.The longer I do this the more I realize that being one dimensional with your dog's,hunting and thought processes keeps you from being able to adapt and catch hogs anywhere you go.Example I started running straight catch dog's Curs and also well bred pits that put down 20 + miles a hunt and out performed many other dog's I still own these dog's and I walk hunted mainly but now I hunt some larger tracts of land as well with pine thicket and chop like these guy's speak of huge impenetrable blocks some blocks as large as a few thousand acres there may be a swamp or something in the center of that block and there may be hogs in there but it's impractical to walk in and find out.So you adapt you get casting dog's like the ones I have now that I can send in the block and whether it be 2 miles across it I will know if there's hogs in there.If not pick up and move on to the next.The club I hunted last week was 48,000 acres of this not very many tracks on the road or sign period but I caught 4 hogs behind my loose casting dog's and I know for a fact that my shorter ranging straight catch dog's would have had a hard time there don't get me wrong I could've busted the brush with them and caught a hog or two but it just wasn't the best way.When I hunt some of my smaller tracts of land I just bring my straight catch shorter ranging dog's and by shorter ranging I mean hunting 3-500 yds.I know that straight catch dog's work I own them  and they don't have to be from outside the country we got em here but there are places where they will be outperformed by a different styles dog and that's a fact.Also Hairy Holder told me he flew dog's to Hawaii so I am just passing on the info said it wasn't that costly.

Wait so you own finderholders there just short range so because yours are short range there are no long range finderholders? And I am not saying curs suck or can't find pigs they can.could your 95 pound cur dog out run a well bred 95 pound running dog cross like a stag/gray/deer/wolf or gray/shepherd/wippet/cat? I don't think so that's the point I was getting at I know there cur catch dogs I have seen them a friend of mine has some super and I mean super rough curs that find and hold pigs for as long as he let's them bad ass dogs but there not 100 pounds and fast as a running dog there in shape 55-65 pound dogs mike runs cur that will die before they leave a pig that they had started another set of bad ass cur dogs I know that curs work I am trying to point out that there not the only ones that can go out find pigs and hold them while you walk 1600 yards you like your curs keep your curs it's the right wing conspiracy that I am trying to say there's no place for curs if some one wants to know about finder holders that are not cur then black, hairy ,centex,txboardog,myself would be able to answer questions just like if I wanted to know about curs I would ask well mike first of course then mr.vice then you and judge and lastly of course parker cus he's a meany

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What are you talking about I never said that my dog's won't run a hog and catch him a mile out I said that the rougher dog's I own hunt at 3-500 yds which I like never said they ain't got bottom.I have had dog's caught for well over a hr with no injury.I was saying that it's nothing new here just called rough Curs not finder holder's.I speak with Dean and respect him for his knowledge and studies of his dog's but once again they're nothing new here just called something else.I would not ask for your advice Hyan because I don't believe you are totally truthful about your daddy's dog's size and age of starting the dog in that picture ain't 4 months old and catching rank board also I highly doubt that you're getting 120-30 lb dog's out of the crosses you speak of.Probably due to your age and a bit of hot headedness and I understand that but if I was asking for advice on your daddy's dog's I would ask him.As for what I posted about having many different styles and types of dog's for different situations I believe in it because I have seen it and unless your finder holder's will cast a mile into hell with no sign then they wouldn't catch hogs where I hunted last week.I also mainly hunt at night and my rough Curs have to trail fast not just run fast I have hunted places where hogs don't run like you speak of in Hawaii and it's easy to catch them no matter how thick the country but 99%of the places we hunt the hogs have seen a dog and run through palmetto and anything else that is nasty thick.so a fast trailing dog is needed which it sounds like your daddy has but so do we nothing new here.

And look up life's a boar 7 so you see how us islanders that catch baby pigs start our dogs off a 4 moths old he's alot older then me so maybe you'll trust him

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[hyan]

that cur is 1 the shepherd is 7 months

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[justincorbell]

hyan, I've dumped my dogs on a 30 head sounder and had them run by them 'till they got to the front and stop them all in the field. Now I don't know how fast that was, but it was fast enough. If I had put catch dog in them, they would have caught the first hogs they came to. That and running hogs down and stopping them in the open is done by stock bred dogs all the time. Some dogs are very fast and not just crossed up running dogs. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
    Very few dogs can run 43mph. Only 30% of greyhounds bred to race make the grade and 43 to 45mph wins many races. There used to be a Greyhound brush track near my home where they ran match races on Thursday nights. Never saw anyone bring a stag and bet their money. There were a good many Stags around in those days. They used them on rabbits and Coyotes. Wild hogs were not in that part of the country then.
    

Wait so you are telling me what finderholders can't do but just said that pigs were not even apart of the country yet? And this is in you life time so let's say your talking about the 50s idk how old you are my family has bin ranching kapapala ranch over a 142 years and have bin running dogs from that time to work cattle then would take the most ruff crazy stupid dogs didn't matter the breed to hunt pigs as finderholders so if my family has bin run these type dogs that long and you didn't even have them in your county how can you say that curs are better? Never mind this is pointless nothing can compare to curs end of story a cur can outrun a gray hound a rough cur can go one off and hold a pig for hours and can run a pig for miles and never get tired a cur can out run and stop any pig that comes in its nose and is just so good that you only have to breed for looks o and there "mental" and a finderholder can do none of that if a finderholder even gets in the presence of a cur it will cower in amazement and ask the cur to sign it's brestplate period facts are facts

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Bout time you realized all that