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« on: October 23, 2016, 04:24:35 pm » |
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Got a buddy who recently bought some and I would like to know more about them.
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Reuben
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2016, 07:47:11 pm » |
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Just like any hunting breed...but the good one's have a ton of bottom and hunt...some have awesome winding noses as well...I have two that are half Kemmer and they will run one 5 or 6 hours and a few of those hours in the heat of day...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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PLOTTHOUNDS
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2016, 08:45:10 pm » |
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Just like any hunting breed...but the good one's have a ton of bottom and hunt...some have awesome winding noses as well...I have two that are half Kemmer and they will run one 5 or 6 hours and a few of those hours in the heat of day...
My buddy said the same thing about his. His hasn't shown me anything. He says they are real deal though. But I will say he only has puppies. But I was told they had colder noses than plotts. So I tested that theory... I've seen one dog that was a crossed Walker Kemmer and plott cross that was the fastest hog dog I've hunted behind. Heck of a hog dog. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Canyonranch
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2016, 12:54:33 pm » |
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yes sir i got one n she is a jam up dog.
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2016, 03:49:17 pm » |
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I've hunted with a couple big game bred ones and they were real good dogs. Hot nosed winding type cur dogs, very quick and athletic and the couple I saw were open.
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Reuben
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2016, 07:26:54 pm » |
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the gold nugget bred dogs have a good nose...about medium so not too cold...for me it is about right...the winding I have seen about a mile distance I perfect conditions and many times about 3/8th of a mile...I been around them since about 1990 so I know a little something about them...
nowadays there are those folks who breed the mt cur only for squirrel and it is getting harder to find a good line for big game...but the good ones can hunt with the very best and look good doing it...
I don't like pure kemmer...I like crossing them with other larger type mt curs like the busher bred dogs...the Texas Smoke bred were some of the best and bred that with gold nugget kemmers...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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TheRednose
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2016, 09:42:53 am » |
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Reuben I would like to know for my own knowledge so I can try with my dogs, how do you know how far away something is that your dog is winding out in the woods? I know how to do it with tracks but not when they wind, how are you doing that?
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Judge peel
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2016, 11:11:17 am » |
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Rednose I judge that distance by when the dog sounds off or jumps the rig till the first bark at first sight but like most things it's only a guess
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TheRednose
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2016, 11:53:46 am » |
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Rednose I judge that distance by when the dog sounds off or jumps the rig till the first bark at first sight but like most things it's only a guess
I see, but my question would be; you don't think that pig was already moving before that dog has barked for the first time? I guess that would partly depend on your dog too. I guess you could see on your garmin when they are starting to line out on a strike too but still wouldn't be able to tell when that pig started moving or not, but that is still a whole lot of speculation like you said. Really good info Judge and thanks for answering my question. |
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Reuben
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2016, 06:10:29 pm » |
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Rednose...I am pretty sure the hogs were feeding in one area or laying up...the distance is just an estimation...
The dog that picked his nose to the wind and turned in to it was about a 1/4 Kemmer but almost pure mt. cur...I tell the ranch hand the hogs are in those neck of the woods about 3/8th mile...he says no they are way over at the other wooded area...I did not think so but he knew that big ranch like the back of his hand...turned out he was right...once we got about 3 or 4 hundred yards the dogs rolled out and went in the woods and busted them up...we only caught one out of that deal...the conditions were right including temperature and the wind was channeling nicely about 5 mph or so...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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Judge peel
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2016, 06:57:53 pm » |
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The main thing about rig or hood dogs is the air temp and the time of the day. Not necessarily the speed and or direction of the wind the colder the air or early morning during the few the scent will be low to the ground later on the scent will rise. If a pig is in the wood where the temp is a bit warmer the scent will come up over the trees if you are rigging and are on a higher point then the pigs the dog will have a better chance versus the ground the dog will have to find the hog by track scent or bump him out. If you rig a lot you will see dog bark jump what ever of your rig haul but one way then mid stride cut the other way that's why. When they get closer to the scent they will move more in a hunting motion till they zero there game in
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Reuben
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2016, 07:29:34 pm » |
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Paying close attention to the dogs has a lot to do with their hunting habits...you see them winding g or wanting to work a track...stop and encourage them to do so...if you see the dogs winding and they get in the thick brush and they mill around 2 or 3 hundred yards and keep coming out...then we have to figure out what is happening and slowly work the dogs in the right direction...once they get the wind right again they can take over again...we can bring out the best out of them...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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lettmroll
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2016, 07:02:43 am » |
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Rueben,
I don't like to talk about what I use to have but reading this post I can't help but speak up about a small built red tiger striped plot I had. The first breed of dog I ever owned besides catahoulas. He could do it all, I had a 16' alweld boat with a 40 horse Johnson on, me, my wife and old simba could run little river as that 40 horse could push it and he could wind hogs up to 400 yards off the river bank little river is on average 150 yards wife. He was 100%
Silent. Heck I thought all plots were until years later when I seen some more that some others guys had. Since then I've owned what I call another decent plot are two but none like him. Sorry for high jacking the kemmer thread.
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2016, 11:34:05 am » |
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Pigs are always moving unless there sleeping. The few kemmers I have seen where decent dogs. Few where open some have heavy noses. But most hunt good from what I have seen.
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lettmroll
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2016, 05:01:15 pm » |
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10/4, most of the ones I've seen had a lot if hunt and hustle, but short range, what I call brush beaters. A old man I hunt with Davy Crockett has one he raised call him Rick, Rick is probably 7 years old now. He's not for all people are a bunch of different ways of hunting, but he does real good out of the boat with two rough dogs following him.
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2016, 01:42:09 pm » |
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now letemroll , don't be feedin us no crap . we all know davy crocket died at the alamo in 1836 lol
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lettmroll
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2016, 12:27:11 pm » |
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Lol, I call him Davy Crockett but no that's not his name, just a nick name.
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PLOTTHOUNDS
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2016, 05:01:54 pm » |
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the gold nugget bred dogs have a good nose...about medium so not too cold...for me it is about right...the winding I have seen about a mile distance I perfect conditions and many times about 3/8th of a mile...I been around them since about 1990 so I know a little something about them...
nowadays there are those folks who breed the mt cur only for squirrel and it is getting harder to find a good line for big game...but the good ones can hunt with the very best and look good doing it...
I don't like pure kemmer...I like crossing them with other larger type mt curs like the busher bred dogs...the Texas Smoke bred were some of the best and bred that with gold nugget kemmers...
My friend is mainly what he runs is gold nugget bred dogs. They have a lot of hustle in the woods. Pretty athletic dogs. But they say they have a better nose than the hounds I'm running I've seen a dog that was a plott And Kemmer cross and they crossed it tona Walker dog that was a real deal hog dog. Super fast lots of hunt,grit, speed. And could find a hog well. I'm confused on how yours are bred. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Reuben
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2016, 07:15:08 pm » |
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At one time I crossed the gold nugget dogs with texas smoke and bred mostly that...they were about as good as any I have seen...
If only I had one male from that line it would be easy breeding a pack from that one dog...
I now have a redbone pitbull cross who was bred to a gold nugget bred dog and I kept two of those pups which a quarter pit/redbone and 1/2 Kemmer (gold nugget)...I crossed one of those to a pocahontas plott gyp and now have 3 of those in my yard as well...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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PLOTTHOUNDS
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2016, 10:34:37 pm » |
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At one time I crossed the gold nugget dogs with texas smoke and bred mostly that...they were about as good as any I have seen...
If only I had one male from that line it would be easy breeding a pack from that one dog...
I now have a redbone pitbull cross who was bred to a gold nugget bred dog and I kept two of those pups which a quarter pit/redbone and 1/2 Kemmer (gold nugget)...I crossed one of those to a pocahontas plott gyp and now have 3 of those in my yard as well...
The ones my buddies have gold nugget is there grandpa bred forbear hunting.. I love the hustle they have to hunt though. They don't hunt as far out as my hounds but really make sure they did a good job in 300-400 yard circles.. I've got some Pocahontas blood on my yard right now I've got2 pups off of Eugene walkers dogs. And a pup off Cajuns dogs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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