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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2016, 11:05:56 pm » |
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The ones my buddies have gold nugget is there grandpa bred forbear hunting.. I love the hustle they have to hunt though. They don't hunt as far out as my hounds but really make sure they did a good job in 300-400 yard circles.. I've got some Pocahontas blood on my yard right now I've got2 pups off of Eugene walkers dogs. And a pup off Cajuns dogs.
I've seen that with big game bred dogs that they don't hunt out long range. I think that is because most big game hunters don't cast hunt. Most big game hunters I've seen bait for a track, look for tracks, or rig or road their dogs. So range is not something they do or do not breed for. |
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2016, 07:35:51 am » |
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The ones my buddies have gold nugget is there grandpa bred forbear hunting.. I love the hustle they have to hunt though. They don't hunt as far out as my hounds but really make sure they did a good job in 300-400 yard circles.. I've got some Pocahontas blood on my yard right now I've got2 pups off of Eugene walkers dogs. And a pup off Cajuns dogs.
I've seen that with big game bred dogs that they don't hunt out long range. I think that is because most big game hunters don't cast hunt. Most big game hunters I've seen bait for a track, look for tracks, or rig or road their dogs. So range is not something they do or do not breed for. I was just wanting to know more about them. It was pretty hard for me to believe though when several people had told me they had a better nose than plotts. Lol. Where are you from Reuben? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2016, 07:45:08 am » |
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Plotthounds, Not all Plotts are gritty, cold nose or long range. Like every other breed there are certain strains that will be cold nose, gritty and long range. It depends on how & where you hunt that determines what you need and the amount of game that you have. If you are loaded down with hogs you might not need a cold nose dog. The hard part is getting all those desirable traits in one dog.
I have seen cur dogs that could compare to any cold nose hound out there but they are few & far between.
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2016, 02:34:25 pm » |
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Plotthounds, Not all Plotts are gritty, cold nose or long range. Like every other breed there are certain strains that will be cold nose, gritty and long range. It depends on how & where you hunt that determines what you need and the amount of game that you have. If you are loaded down with hogs you might not need a cold nose dog. The hard part is getting all those desirable traits in one dog.
I have seen cur dogs that could compare to any cold nose hound out there but they are few & far between.
Yes Cajun exactly. But as for a whole classification of breeds most cur dogs are not gone have the nose of your hounds. Your hounds are bred more consistently to have that trait. Most places I'm hunting your dogs need to be pretty coldnosed or really hard hunting 400-700 yardsto catch 100 or more a year.. these hogs are spread out and wise. I have places where cold nosed dogs are needed but year round I can catch em with my coldnosed dogs in hard places. Not just the easy places. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2016, 07:54:00 pm » |
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I am from southeast Texas...I like the nose of the big game mt curs...not too cold but cold enough...what I like best is that medium nose with good winding ability and a dog that has the knack to find game quickly...the mt curs I like best are those that hunt 3 to 4 hundred loops to each side as long as I am moving...if I stop these dogs will keep going until they find a hog...I have had more than a few I had to take the edge off of them or had to manage them with extra care and attention because they hunted for themselves and would really get out there...
but these dogs can be taught to use their nose to the fullest and to range out further just in the way we handle them...
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2016, 01:52:42 pm » |
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I am from southeast Texas...I like the nose of the big game mt curs...not too cold but cold enough...what I like best is that medium nose with good winding ability and a dog that has the knack to find game quickly...the mt curs I like best are those that hunt 3 to 4 hundred loops to each side as long as I am moving...if I stop these dogs will keep going until they find a hog...I have had more than a few I had to take the edge off of them or had to manage them with extra care and attention because they hunted for themselves and would really get out there...
but these dogs can be taught to use their nose to the fullest and to range out further just in the way we handle them...
I think if I had the pups he has I could make something out of them. I don't know if top notch he has got to learn how to train a young dog he's never done it before. I've trained all my dogs I'm using right now as 1-3 year old dogs. A lot of the time it matters a lot on how much time you spend working with them and making em better. I've given him a pup off my dogs which he has been asking me to have one off. And I gave him one. I have kept one for my self too. 9 times out of 10 mine will end up being the best outta of the litter cause of time I spend working and bettering him. He's got to learn sometime how to train one. It's not something that comes over night to ya. It takes experience, patience, and dedication. It definitely helps to have a good back ground but if you leave a pup in the pen till he 7 months old-don't expect him to be doing what mine is doing at 7 months. Wouldn't that be pretty close? @cajun and @reuben Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2016, 08:16:55 pm » |
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having the right line of pups/dogs can really make good dogs in the right hands...and feeding them lots of tracks can only make them better...training a sorry pup/dog can make them better but it will still be a cull in my eyes...
the great ones don't need much training...they are born knowing how to find game...
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« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2016, 12:22:46 am » |
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Noses are a funny thing, I saw years ago a program on the discovery channel where an organization was taking dogs from local pounds and training them to detect cancerous cells in the human body by smell. These were not Majestic or Bloodhounds mind you, just mutts, but were successfully identifying cancer in living human tissue on scent alone. Several years ago I had a redbone with a good nose and I was in hog heaven because I finally had a dog who could consistently find hogs, then one day a man gave me a young cur gyp bred from his personal line of very consistent curs and within two months the young gyp was leaving out on tracks so fast she'd be bayed while that good was still figuring out the hot side from the cold one. Soon after I abandoned the dogs I had been hunting and made the decision to solely pursue getting more like her. Years later I now have dogs that all are able to leave on sign and go bay hogs, some faster, some smarter, some better than others, but knock on wood, I haven't had one in a while now that wouldn't at minimum "go look at" a hog.
This is not to say I believe these curs have a "better nose" than a hound! I don't for a moment think they have as "cold" of noses, but I do believe their brains are wired differently in relation to how they process a track.
I can expand more later if the discussion is worth having, but for now, I've got to get back to work.
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« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2016, 05:32:10 am » |
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good post T-BoB...the ability to find game can be bred in to a line of dogs...
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« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2016, 05:33:36 am » |
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good post T-BoB...the ability to find game can be bred in to a line of dogs...
I said that wrong...the ability to find game can be selected for from a line of dogs... |
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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2016, 06:11:05 am » |
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I read in a book one time that blood hounds have the most particles of smell the next dog in line was the gsd don't rember the rest but it was 500 million to 300 million then after those two it was a drastic drop
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« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2016, 10:09:27 am » |
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Noses are a funny thing, I saw years ago a program on the discovery channel where an organization was taking dogs from local pounds and training them to detect cancerous cells in the human body by smell. These were not Majestic or Bloodhounds mind you, just mutts, but were successfully identifying cancer in living human tissue on scent alone. Several years ago I had a redbone with a good nose and I was in hog heaven because I finally had a dog who could consistently find hogs, then one day a man gave me a young cur gyp bred from his personal line of very consistent curs and within two months the young gyp was leaving out on tracks so fast she'd be bayed while that good was still figuring out the hot side from the cold one. Soon after I abandoned the dogs I had been hunting and made the decision to solely pursue getting more like her. Years later I now have dogs that all are able to leave on sign and go bay hogs, some faster, some smarter, some better than others, but knock on wood, I haven't had one in a while now that wouldn't at minimum "go look at" a hog.
This is not to say I believe these curs have a "better nose" than a hound! I don't for a moment think they have as "cold" of noses, but I do believe their brains are wired differently in relation to how they process a track.
I can expand more later if the discussion is worth having, but for now, I've got to get back to work.
You touched on something I wanted to discuss for a long time, so I think I will start a topic about it called nose. You make some great points T Bob |
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« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2016, 08:55:50 pm » |
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good post T-BoB...the ability to find game can be bred in to a line of dogs...
Really good post. I'm wanting to make a strain of dogs that are something that's got. Acold nose and is fast and barks On track and has grit . I like a good race. But I like to catch hogs too. I'm gone breed a tight line of hounds very soon with those qualities in the very near future. They most likely will not be full blooded though. Lol. I'm not stuck on one. Breed alrthough my name on here is plotthounds. My best gyp is a plott hounds so I kinda just went with it. Lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2016, 09:21:12 pm » |
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There are many average breeders out there...the proof is in the amount of culls out there...
Selecting the right dogs from a good family of dogs is important...and what I believe to be of most importance is selecting the best pups for hunting and breeding...no excuses for the dogs...either they have it or they don't...the rose colored glasses must go in the trash...
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« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2016, 09:35:43 pm » |
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Ya there are a lot of every thing out there. I like rose colored glasses I got them with Obama care
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