Cmwhogger
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« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2016, 04:36:04 pm » |
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To each their own. I reckon if extermination is the motive then whatever it takes. I love shooting deer, turkey, and fur bearers, but if I was deer hunting and the biggest boar ive ever seen walked by I don't think I could shoot it. Not knocking anyone. Just throwing my opinion around.
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Judge peel
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« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2016, 04:40:53 pm » |
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Ya that's why I have hog dogs. For the chance you might catch him with your dogs but if you shoot him the game is over
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« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2016, 08:46:55 pm » |
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Boy this was fun reading thru! Good stuff in there fellas I carry a gun, not to shoot the hog but for protection for me and my dogs. If things go south and me or my dogs are in danger, sorry but the hogs gonna go. Wether we started the fight or not im not going to lose a dog if i can help it. My 2 cents
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Cmwhogger
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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2016, 08:52:37 pm » |
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Yessir. Nothing wrong with carrying one. Not sure if I don't bc of pride or stupidity lol. Either way getting the dogs out alive is always first priority.
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ArtHenrey
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« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2016, 09:36:25 pm » |
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Slim, if you know where he is staying keep fresh dogs on him. Start there first, stay as close to dogs as you can. He can be caught. Hogs like him, to say. I've used 1 bay dog that was loose. And 2 sure nough catchdogs, middle of day when hog was asleep on strike an had a nice in full belly. Didn't run or fight like he done at night or early morning.
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ArtHenrey
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« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2016, 09:39:25 pm » |
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I hunt alone pretty often. Have understood my dogs a lot better that way
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Mr. Oinker
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« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2016, 10:55:16 am » |
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I don't see anything wrong in shooting a pig that dogs bayed up. It doesn't take anything away from how good the strike dogs are at finding pigs and doesn't mean that they aren't hog dogs anymore. If you can get some big rank boars out of the woods and still enjoy having dogs that you put so much time and effort into working for ya, what's wrong with that? I guess I'm biased cause I mostly hunt my own land but I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a pig whether I'm hunting deer, turkey, or anything else. The only reason I'd save a big nasty pig is if I ever get these dogs going good enough to have a chance at placing in a tournament hunt.
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Judge peel
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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2016, 01:26:17 pm » |
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Ain't nothing wrong with shooting one over your dogs. But if your main way is with a cd then it defeats the purpose of having a cd. I care nothing bout shooting a hog if I can hunt my dogs and catch. Some places u can't hunt with dogs so u trap or shoot I get that part
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Mr. Oinker
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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2016, 02:36:49 pm » |
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I gotcha Judge, I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that it doesn't matter how you do it, a dead pig is the only kind of good pig there is. Slim, kill him any way you see fit cause in the end if you're happy with the kill that's all that matters.
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« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2016, 08:26:23 pm » |
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If i see a big nice hog i want to eat im gonna bust his/her ass if i can safely do it But unless im going to eat it it gets cut marked and turned out on the spot.
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l.h.cracker
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« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2016, 08:27:54 pm » |
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I gotcha Judge, I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that it doesn't matter how you do it, a dead pig is the only kind of good pig there is. Slim, kill him any way you see fit cause in the end if you're happy with the kill that's all that matters.
I have a ton of respect for my quarry.I kill hogs if I have to per landowners request but if I'm hunting my places in the woods I cut and release I'd rather manage then exterminate. If you're a real hog hunter and dog man why would you shoot a hog especially a big old bad boar.If you can't whip him with dog's then let someone else who can dog him for you.If a dead pigs the only good pig there is then you're the enemy to the great sport of hog dogging.When all the hogs are gone what are we going to do?
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Cmwhogger
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« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2016, 08:49:49 pm » |
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I have hunted with guys who are good friends of mine who bay and shoot. It doesn't do it for me. I'd never knock em for that. I've seen them shoot hogs several times and watched the hog run and run. If you're hunting alone and don't get a good shot just seems like you're setting yourself up for an unnecessary bad day. Can't say I've seen a hog get knifed and live. Shooting a bayed pig seems unethical. Dogs near by, hog moving. To each their own. I hunt to watch the dogs get it done. Alone or with a team. If you're only intention is to kill a pig, Then by all means. I reckon if we was all the same this forum would get quite boring.
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« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2016, 10:32:15 pm » |
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When the ranchers say "get them gone or I call someone else" you get them gone any means necessary. Get caught cutting and releasing around here and your gonna loose all your country before sundown. 100% privately owned farm and ranch land is all I hunt. Hunt no family land except for a 100 acre place that I have a bunch of neighbors.
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jsh
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« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2016, 04:59:36 am » |
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Well I guess I'm not a real hog hunter cause I will shoot a hog and at all times use two cds - guess I'm unethical as well. I dog 95% of the hogs we hunt. I dog hunting alone - doesn't matter to me. I've caught plenty good rank boars on here like anyone else so just because I decide to shoot one means makes me or my dogs lesser hunters? Don't think so.
I raise everything from pups, cds too, have over $5k invested in a kennel/yard setup not to mention endless hours of care and training - so think about the investment in say a five year old dog. If I can prevent an accident with a fifty cent bullet, you dang right I'm shooting a pig - sow or boar. It's going to die anyway cause I don't catch and tie. Like I said, it's 5% or less of the time. If I've got a pig bayed in January across the river and don't feel like swimming, shoot it and go on hunting some more. I've been there and done that and don't care to do it again if I don't have to.
As far as using two cds - we caught 9 hogs last Sunday am. Five were good size and had teeth. Had three cds..one had to stay in the buggy after boar number 3. Now were down to two. Cut two cd in on a stud and he knocked the first cd out on her feet. I never seen anything like it before. She stood there stiffed legged and wide eyed staring into the sky. Good thing the other was there cause our strike dogs help and they went in as soon as she initiated contact. Now would we probably would have caught it without the second cd, but more than likely avoided some injuries by having the second catch dog there.
Just a different perspective for y'all. Besides - any of you that know me know that we always haul kids. We do this for them and to raise them in the woods, I have nothing to prove to anyone. A dead hog is a dead hog.
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« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2016, 06:07:15 am » |
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Maybe I'm wrong but shooting a hog and leaving it lay is unethical in my book.I have a good buddy who shoots hogs in front of his hounds all the time he lets his wife and kids shoot them at crossings but they clean process and eat them.Its not for me.Like I said earlier I hunt for a couple landowners that want the hogs killed so we kill them but to just shoot a hog across the river cause you don't want to get wet and move on ain't for me.To each their own I reckon but a hogs my favorite critter in the woods and I have way more respect for them than that.
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« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2016, 06:42:16 am » |
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LH - although I don't agree, I see your point and respect it. We have tons of hogs where we hunt, and if we don't kill them, someone else will. Like I said before, we are out there for the kids and to make better dogs, not manage the pig population. I have invited countless people along to gain some meat, but most can't get up early enough or want me to "hang" onto it a couple days for them. Piss on that.
Same could be said for shooting a trophy buck to hang on the wall. I don't think it's wrong, but people bypass does all the time to shoot the big one. I understand there are also management reasons, etc...I respect a big buck that has survived in a state that's littered with deer hunters. To lure them in with corn and shoot them from a blind is not my cup of tea, but again no worries to me as each his own.
I have a respect for cats. I would love to hunt a lion one day behind hounds, but know I could not shoot it out of the tree. I would get the enjoyment out of the dog work. Call me what you want, but I personally would have no need to kill that animal.
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« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2016, 07:31:55 am » |
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Jsh, Funny thing I feel the same way about a lion hunt or a bobcat hunt hell even Coyotes.When I was a kid I got a 16 ga single shot for my 8th birthday and me and my dog Pup went hunting around my grandparents farm everyday but the deal was everything I shot I ate.I lived off of Squirrel,rabbit,dove and quail for many years because that was my very favorite thing to do.I guess that has just stuck with me over the years.I love to fish and bow fishing is one of my favorites but I only target fish I plan on eating can't say I've ever shot a gar or a carp just not my style.I can't tell a grown man what to do or how to carry themselves but my children are all raised the same way if they're shooting at a buzzard they better be ready for buzzard stew for supper lol.
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« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2016, 09:03:02 am » |
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most hog hunter's today is spoiled ... I have seen em cleaned out I mean not a track for miles .......most people sing the song it takes to get em in the doors they want to get in .....but truth is if you hog hunt with dogs you don't hate em ....... and there could come a day when you wished you hadn't killed all the ones you just killed to kill ...... my grandpa told me one time son don't worry bout the man you see turning one loose its the ones that don't you worry about ... they on the take out and will try and clean you out ....( old range wars )
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« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2016, 09:13:10 am » |
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I gotcha Judge, I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that it doesn't matter how you do it, a dead pig is the only kind of good pig there is. Slim, kill him any way you see fit cause in the end if you're happy with the kill that's all that matters.
If a dead pigs the only good pig there is then you're the enemy to the great sport of hog dogging.When all the hogs are gone what are we going to do? Enemy to the sport? LH I'm not sure where you're from but if you are worried about ever running out of hogs move to my part of Texas. I'm gonna try to give you an insight into my views since you gave us yours about only killing what you can eat, which is a very respectable way to do things. My first responsibility is to my livestock. Pigs and predators are a nuisance to me. Pigs will tear up crops that feed livestock, root up holes for calves to step in and break their legs, tear up roads, etc. I both want and need to control and limit their populations. I don't want to exterminate them entirely and never in my lifetime could I. They breed too quickly and take over habitats. That being said, I love hunting and I love dogs so hunting with dogs is an awesome combination of both things. If I can use dogs to help control the pig numbers and help me do a job I already need to do while making it even more enjoyable (watching dogs work, hearing bays, etc.) that is even better. But I will never cut a pig and turn it back. A cut pig can still do just as much damage as it could before. I'm gonna kill pigs whether I have to bay them and catch them, bay and shoot, just shoot them, get in a helicopter and shoot them, trap and shoot them or sell them, whatever because it has to be done. I'm always gonna have pigs cause even though I kill more each year than I did the year before, more keep showing up in better numbers and bigger, meaner pigs. I'm all for getting meat if it is reasonable to do so but I wont lose sleep over killing a pig and leaving it. Of course all that is just my opinion and you don't have to agree because it doesn't make a difference to me.
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