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« on: October 16, 2009, 03:46:15 pm » |
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my dad has been hunting the past few weeks and they have bayed some hogs and they have broke loose and the dogs can't catch them. dad says they are out running the dogs. i haven't been because of school and work so i'm not for sure whats happening but what do you think is the problem and how we can fix it?
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BigAinaBuilt
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2009, 04:04:13 pm » |
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This a question on alot of hog hunters minds at least 10 times in their hogdoggin career! I believe they are feeding the hogs nitrous and jet fuel and when they see a dog they are gone!  Really though depending on how rangy your dogs are when they hit the pig or how fast you can run to the pig the easiest way to fix this problem is a RCD. I like my dogs to shut um down as soon as possible but depending on how much pressure the pigs in the area have felt some will take the best of dogs on a journey! Good luck on your next hunt and getting them hogs stopped! |
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2009, 04:46:34 pm » |
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If any of us knew a way to fix that problem we wouldnt have to work any more. Hogs really arent all that fast compared to dogs but they are good at using the terrain to their advantage. They can bust through thick vines and briars easily and take a break while the dogs are fighting and picking their way through it. When they get close porky will just run a little further. If he can get far enough ahead and doesnt do anything foolish like go out in the open he can stay ahead. You can try catchy dogs or just one or two loose baying dogs or keep doing what you are doing. Sometimes you win and sometimes you loose no matter what you do.  |
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txmaverick
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2009, 04:48:11 pm » |
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there are many things to consider when this is happening, from the country you hunt to how old are the dogs with many things between those two....................there is much more that would have to be known about the situation before a good idea can be presented.
Do others hunt the area?
How big is the place?
Is it wet/dry there?
How old are the dogs?
How do you hunt?
Are the hogs baying at all, if so how long, will they bay again..................................need more info before anyone can help
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djhogdogger
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2009, 08:03:21 pm » |
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The hogs that we hunt have been chased down by dogs, teenagers on 4-wheelers, pist off farmers with a-k 47's, hunters with guns, and bows. These things are skiddish like deer, can wind better than a bloodhound and outrun anything on 4 legs. So I can sympathize with people who's dogs get outrun by a hog. The ones that we do catch are the stupid ones. Which means that the smart hogs are left to produce smarter hogs. LOL  |
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 08:41:58 pm » |
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djhogdogger, you said it all when you said that the ones caught are the stupid ones. It makes you wonder that at some point, the stupid is gonna be bred outta these hogs, cuz all the smart ones are left for breeding. Before its over, the hogs will be born with running shoes on, and everyone will have to buy glasses for their dogs to keep the dust cloud from blinding the dogs. |
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Florida Curdog
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2009, 09:26:29 pm » |
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This is why I like rough catchy curdogs with very little bay. The hogs were I usually hunt won't stop for a baydog if they do you hear about 2-4 barks and the race is on  |
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southsidehunter
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2009, 11:34:27 pm » |
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I agree with Florida curdog, I use 3 rough dogs. I haven't hunted much with my new pack but I have been lucky enough to stop them so far. A guy in Victoria who some of you might know runs everything on the ground, like 10 dogs catchdogs and all.
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TColt
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2009, 12:12:16 am » |
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Had a runnin bunch last night. I'm just gonna say it was a long night with no pigs.
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Florida Curdog
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2009, 06:17:13 am » |
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The dogs we run will catch most hogs one on one. If one or two gets on a big rank boar hog sometimes they will bay until we get there but they catch it as soon as you tell them to. I use to run bay dogs and got tired of tracking dogs all night and ending up with no hogs. This is what works for me where I hunt.
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txmaverick
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2009, 08:50:56 am » |
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Over and over again to much is left unknown in most of these cases to know what trully is going on.
So here are some things I think about before hunting a place I know has sure enough runners.
First, what dogs will I take, the number and roughness of the dogs?
My pack ranges from very rough to loose bay, on places where I know there are sure enough runners I like trying first; one loose bay dog, and turn 2-3 rough dogs to him/her. If this proves wrong then I will mix it up on what dogs I use all the way back to only loose bay dogs if needed.
Second, know the place. Get a map and learn the place like the bakc of your hand.
Third, know the hogs. Learn from them, watch where they go to get away. If you need to go out in the daylight to look the place over and get a feel for what they are doing and why.
Those 3 are just to get started there are many other things to do and remmeber while on the hunt.
The WHY of anything is often the key. If you can figure out the WHY and stop it then most times the hard part is over.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2009, 09:14:29 pm » |
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Pigs are super fast. One thing i've noticed, some are twice as fast as others. I've seen this with my own eyes on day hunts with open ground.
Our dogs get out ran all the time....
BUT....They can't seem to out run their noses.
Sooner or later the hog will get to a place or point where he will have to slow down or stop.
Put some nose on the ground, you'll get em. good luck...
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txmaverick
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2009, 02:36:16 am » |
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Nose will only work in some areas...............what works one place wont work others and what works on one hog wont work on the next.
Nose is what made the hogs in the hill country what they are today as for a running.
There are to many varibles from place to place and hog to hog to blanket the running hog problem with statements like "more nose", "more catch", "more................the list is long".
It is a problem that will be here as long as there is hogs, and as long as we keep loosein them. It will never change nor improve.
We can only learn from these happining and hope we can do better the next time.
Last night on a ranch that has runners ..................
Knowing I have been out run several times now on this ranch I loaded 6 dogs instead of my normal 4. One hound/cur for lead dog and 4 catahoulas and a dogo/ab pup. Didnt take a catch dog, instead of hunting 2 out like i normally would here I hunted out all but the dogo/ab pup. We hunted 10 mins and instead of a bay we heard squealing, they had caught a sow 135 lbs or so and never barked that I know of.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2009, 06:20:58 am » |
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This was a hunt where I heard, "I got some ruff yellow dogs!" He told me not to bring a catch dog. Said we wouldn't need him. I always bring a pitt with me....always, I had bad experiences where big toothy was standing there choppin' his 4" cutters in the middle of a swamp and no way in hell was any bay dog gonna shut him down. I don't trust bay dogs for catch dogs. I've seen some rough bay dogs and I personally, am a HUGE fan of yellow black mouth curs "yellow dogs!" They're what I've been raised around, what I started with, trusted, and learned to love. However, I now own one of about every bay dog. I wanted to see for myself, the pros and cons of all dogs. The best way to do that is to hunt them all. Anyway, with that being said, I don't want people to think that I'm talking smack on yellow dogs. I think they're probably my favorite and one of the best.. all-around, most consistant, hog dogs. So yeah....sometimes, i don't think gritt will stop certain hogs and as much as I hate to say it, sometimes yellow dogs aren't enough. It takes speed, power, numbers, and a dog that has good accuracy with his catching ability. A dog that will lock, hang on, and not get slung off. I don't know if this dog exists?. Txmaverick is probably right, every situation is different and sometimes the nose is only good for so far or certain conditions. A rank leggy boar is gonna out run everything you got sometimes because of the thick cover. They are like mini army tanks in the brush. They already have the advantage before the race begins. We're in THEIR territory on THEIR home field. They have the advantage. Sometimes, It's not just one pig either, it's 20 runners. The dogs don't work as a team because they are chasing multiple hogs. OK OK....i'm getting carried away here.... Here's a pic of some ruff yellow dogs...THAT WERE ALL BAYED. Had to suit up the CD.  The dogs caught after the CD got there. This pig wasn't that big, maybe 175lbs, but knew how to run and cut dogs.     |
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Crazy8
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2009, 06:36:25 am » |
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very well said
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Bayin dogs, squealin hogs its all in a good days work!
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txmaverick
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2009, 05:26:08 pm » |
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After 35 yrs of this i have lost hogs for about every reason you can think of............
they smelled us on way to bay
heard us on way to bay
lights spooked them
turned the catch dog loose to soon
turned the catch dog loose to late
drove to close
should have driven closer
the list is endless, but that is why they call it hunting
We are hunting an animal that is about #5 on the list of intel in the animal world, useing an animal that is about #10 on that same list to do it with which is handled and trained by us the all powerful human that cant even physicaly keep up with either one on foot. Its a wonder we ever catch a hog at all if you really think about it LOL.
Stoked if he was standing choppin 4" cutters and you could see he had 4" cutters ..................."he was shut down" what more could you ask for...................shoot him. They dont have to be squealing to be "shut down".
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WestTexasCurs
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2009, 06:43:36 pm » |
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Nose is what made the hogs in the hill country what they are today as for a running. Can you explain this statement a little more?Never heard that before.
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Beejay
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2009, 07:22:14 pm » |
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We are having the same problem in our area. Once they decide to run it'll take a grizzly bear to stop em. We hunt a lot of bayou land and when they break, straight for the bayou. Swim it and never look back. I have been looking for a running catchdog, I've heard these Mason catdo's are the real thing. I lost a good bulldog a while back that would run to any bay he could hear and catch. He didn't survive very long. This is what concerns me on a running catch, making it to the bay before the dog recieves to much damage. A friend of mine also had a good BMC that was catchy. They bayed a pile of hogs, the BMC caught a sow and a big boar came and hit him from the back. Took quite a few stitches to repair him. This is another thing that worries me on a running catch. What is ya'lls recomendations on a good running catch?
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