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 this is an old picture. She's working on 7-8 months now and been on one hunt. Went 800 in my kate dogs hip pocket and struck and bayed about 10 head with her. Haven't really messed with her since but since kate is laid up I'm gonna start working her on cows and get a handle on her so she's ready for woods when kate is healthy Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Really like the looks of that pup Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2017, 11:50:48 am » |
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Django right and Chief left. 14mo. I have 3 other litter mates to them and a friend has 4. These are the 2 I like to show off lol  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2017, 12:03:22 pm » |
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Dang... them are some good lookin' black dogs!
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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2017, 12:26:22 pm » |
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Thanks Mike. Time will tell... but im about to start hitting the woods hard with them. Hoping with those legs, they'll move a track quick and blow the air out of these runners
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2017, 12:26:42 pm » |
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Really like the looks of that pup Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk She is a spotted dog in disguise. She's just about full blooded catahoula as far as I know. Carlton may chime in, Boomer might have a little cur to him but not much if at all. Mom and dad are both Merle dogs. Carlton kept the 3 that looked like the parents.  this was another littermate. Originally mine but she up and died on me real young. Not sure why as she acted healthy as all the pups did. She was the coolest most unique dog I've ever seen. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2017, 02:13:08 pm » |
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 Partinxwalker pup. Have a full sister to her look identical. Been to the big woods. They both should make, doing pretty good yet Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2017, 05:04:32 am » |
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Django right and Chief left. 14mo. I have 3 other litter mates to them and a friend has 4. These are the 2 I like to show off lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Cody sharp looking dogs. You could have told me those were my two litter mates I have and I would have thought they were mine. They look almost identical to that. Especially the male on the left. I haven't forgotten to call you either, been meaning to. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2017, 07:42:19 am » |
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Django right and Chief left. 14mo. I have 3 other litter mates to them and a friend has 4. These are the 2 I like to show off lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Cody sharp looking dogs. You could have told me those were my two litter mates I have and I would have thought they were mine. They look almost identical to that. Especially the male on the left. I haven't forgotten to call you either, been meaning to. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Thanks hamma. I have one gyp that's built right too. Not as tall but leggy for her frame. High and tight in the flanks and looks like a speed demon herself. Also the other male... he is built average no bells and whistles but he's pretty solid. No problem on the phone call. Things are a bit hectic for most at the moment. I just got done with a 37 day turnaround and on day 38 hit the woods for 3 days... I still don't think I'm caught up on sleep, but things are finally slowing down. This is the other male, Chipper  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2017, 09:34:34 am » |
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Django right and Chief left. 14mo. I have 3 other litter mates to them and a friend has 4. These are the 2 I like to show off lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Cody sharp looking dogs. You could have told me those were my two litter mates I have and I would have thought they were mine. They look almost identical to that. Especially the male on the left. I haven't forgotten to call you either, been meaning to. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Thanks hamma. I have one gyp that's built right too. Not as tall but leggy for her frame. High and tight in the flanks and looks like a speed demon herself. Also the other male... he is built average no bells and whistles but he's pretty solid. No problem on the phone call. Things are a bit hectic for most at the moment. I just got done with a 37 day turnaround and on day 38 hit the woods for 3 days... I still don't think I'm caught up on sleep, but things are finally slowing down. This is the other male, Chipper Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Nice! You got love those long legs and tight flanked dogs. They can stretch it out. Glad you are getting to finally hunt some Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2017, 06:37:00 pm » |
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Snapped one of the females at feed time. This is the female I named ilene. Broke her rear leg at 7mo, chicken winged it to her hip and she made a full recovery.  This is Emma  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2017, 09:42:57 pm » |
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She will be started on cows but ultimately hunt hogs. The starting on cows thing is my uncles method. Gets a handle on dogs and teaches them how to really work a animal rather than just stand there and bark at em. Get a few dogs that really know how to work and bay and you can get sounders bayed more often than a few dogs that just show up and hammer down on one hog. Atleast that's how I figure it
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I'm assuming you don't hunt places that have cows on them... Just my opinion, but if the dog needs to be started in cows to learn how to work you should probably be feeding different dogs. My cowdogs get started on cows and my hogdogs get started on hogs that's just how I do it and it works for me and everyone else I know. I hope your way works out for you and you don't end up with hogdogs that trash on cows... |
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« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2017, 10:41:16 pm » |
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ok, sure I'll regret this because too many people who dont understand or agree will criticize rather than inquire but, MY BEST DOG KATE WILL BAY COWS! if she gets bored and I mean really bored and there ain't a hog around she will go bay a cow. I will not lie(she was used both ways, started on cows before she ever saw hogs). But here's one thing I can guarantee you, and its exactly what my uncle said will separate me with that dog compared to someone else whose dogs genuinely "Trash" on cows. Kate will not put teeth on one, and I say one word she will pull off. So say I'm hunting with some boys I don't know. No hog sign and kate goes and bays on some cows. Them other boys dogs honor bay and get there and start grabbing and chewing on cows getting rough with them. We ride up there and all I say is "Kate, get out" and she comes to me, them other boys spend 15 minutes and cover 300 acres trying to get their mutts to quit do iting with them cows. Now sure kate started it but any dog that will honor a dog baying cows is just as bad(if you consider this a bad trait) so difference being kate had a handle and I called her right off and she didn't tear a cow up, them other boys dogs done screwed 3 calves ankles up and hung a bull by the ears, so you tell me who has the junky trashing dogs?... my uncle is a very big cattleman. Runs a registered Brahman and F1 operation and does some pre-conditioning for the biggest feedlot op in our area. Never thought I'd hear something like that from him but he said it and I believe it. Been working for him like 30 years? Now he does have dogs that are straight hogs won't look at a cow, but each and everyone we're started on cows.. you can break them off. TMATT nowhere did I say it's gonna take cows to teach any of my dogs to "work" but starting out on cows WILL TEACH THEM HANDLE AND HOW TO WORK GROUPS! Work, not bay, I see lots of bay dogs that hunt good and produce hogs but when they're actually baying. They're making 1/2 circles at best. Never leaving that hogs face. I want dogs wagon wheeling the entire time, put back what tries to come out and go back to circling... that brindle pup will already bay hogs. But the cow pasture is where she's gonna learn to work groups and hold bay and really get a handle. Them she will get out behind some hog dogs and it all should transfer over... again, most places I hunt have cows, lots of cows and some good expensive registered herds. Most all these guys cows are dogged to be worked and penned. So I'm up front with them and I ain't ever ran in to one problem with it yet. Now let a dog start getting rough the story won't be the same. But they know well enough my dog going and barking at them ain't gonna make them fall over dead so it's been a non issue for me.
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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2017, 09:45:54 am » |
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ok, sure I'll regret this because too many people who dont understand or agree will criticize rather than inquire but, MY BEST DOG KATE WILL BAY COWS! if she gets bored and I mean really bored and there ain't a hog around she will go bay a cow. I will not lie(she was used both ways, started on cows before she ever saw hogs). But here's one thing I can guarantee you, and its exactly what my uncle said will separate me with that dog compared to someone else whose dogs genuinely "Trash" on cows. Kate will not put teeth on one, and I say one word she will pull off. So say I'm hunting with some boys I don't know. No hog sign and kate goes and bays on some cows. Them other boys dogs honor bay and get there and start grabbing and chewing on cows getting rough with them. We ride up there and all I say is "Kate, get out" and she comes to me, them other boys spend 15 minutes and cover 300 acres trying to get their mutts to quit do iting with them cows. Now sure kate started it but any dog that will honor a dog baying cows is just as bad(if you consider this a bad trait) so difference being kate had a handle and I called her right off and she didn't tear a cow up, them other boys dogs done screwed 3 calves ankles up and hung a bull by the ears, so you tell me who has the junky trashing dogs?... my uncle is a very big cattleman. Runs a registered Brahman and F1 operation and does some pre-conditioning for the biggest feedlot op in our area. Never thought I'd hear something like that from him but he said it and I believe it. Been working for him like 30 years? Now he does have dogs that are straight hogs won't look at a cow, but each and everyone we're started on cows.. you can break them off. TMATT nowhere did I say it's gonna take cows to teach any of my dogs to "work" but starting out on cows WILL TEACH THEM HANDLE AND HOW TO WORK GROUPS! Work, not bay, I see lots of bay dogs that hunt good and produce hogs but when they're actually baying. They're making 1/2 circles at best. Never leaving that hogs face. I want dogs wagon wheeling the entire time, put back what tries to come out and go back to circling... that brindle pup will already bay hogs. But the cow pasture is where she's gonna learn to work groups and hold bay and really get a handle. Them she will get out behind some hog dogs and it all should transfer over... again, most places I hunt have cows, lots of cows and some good expensive registered herds. Most all these guys cows are dogged to be worked and penned. So I'm up front with them and I ain't ever ran in to one problem with it yet. Now let a dog start getting rough the story won't be the same. But they know well enough my dog going and barking at them ain't gonna make them fall over dead so it's been a non issue for me.
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Slim, I like a dog with a handle too... I just teach my dogs the commands I want them to have before they start on anything. They learn to come and down right after they learn their name. As far as a dog having stock sense and circling, most if not all of that is hereditary. I have not had to "teach" a single dog that I have owned to to circle. If I did, I probably would not own that dog. There are a lot things that can be taught to a dog but stock sense isn't one of them. i know the people in the area that I hunt will not allow you on their place if they think your dog will bay a cow and that is why I don't want my hog dog to even look at cows. The cows in this area are dog broke as well but there have still been incidents of people's cows being ran through fences... Now, as far as whose dog is the problem in the incident you described I would say both are at fault... yours shouldn't have bayed the cows to begin with and theirs shouldn't have honored the bay when they saw it was cows regardless of you being able to call your dog off. I'm going to say this as well, no one dog or type of dog is perfect nor does it work for everyone. If you are ok with your dogs baying cattle then that is your choice. I don't feed your dogs and it's not my place to tell you what kind of dogs to keep. I just thought I would give my opinion in hopes that it would help a young guy out. Good luck with your dogs and I hope they work out for you. |
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2017, 10:20:00 am » |
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I know few old timers that used dogs in this manner if penning cows its a cow dog hog hunting its a hog dog. That was there way of doing it. the problem with this is if there are cows on your hog hunt your going to have a problem. Now there are dogs that can do what you want cows vs hogs but most dogs can't determine the difference. So to me rule number one a hog dog should never be started on a cow he should know cattle is never to be messed with. It only takes one bark and you could have a mess on your hand. I don't know bout your area but here if your dog is out baying cows and ain't spose to be the ranchers might put a hole thru em
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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2017, 10:29:47 am » |
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  Agreed. If they want to circle it they will do it naturally from a young age I don't really see them learning it. Caseys dogs and e's boogie hardly never show treed on the garmin. Usually you just notice they haven't moved in a while. Once you zoom in it's circles. Such a pretty sight. Wish more of mine would do it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2017, 10:34:07 am » |
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Like I'll leave it at this. The kind of dog I'm after, they way I want and expect one to work, is unlike any other person I've hunted with dogs besides my uncles. The way I'm talking about going about it is the way he's gone about it for 30 or so year and I'll be darned if it ain't worked for him. If I fall flat on my face I'll be sure to let y'all know, but if it works like I'm thinking it's gonna, I'll post some pictures.
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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2017, 10:37:25 am » |
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Mr Shelly that is a pretty sight and that's about how my kate dog is more or less. Rarely shows treed and don't bark a lot, and lots of circles
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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2017, 07:01:23 pm » |
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2017, 08:28:17 pm » |
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I'm a black dog fan lol... Parker?
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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2017, 10:04:47 pm » |
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Yes sir Swine. I am kinda partial to them black dogs to, if ya can't tell!!
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