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« on: March 04, 2017, 05:45:52 pm » |
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ok, so iv got 2 males, father and son. iv got a bitch i was trying to breed over to the father so i can get rid of him to clear up some kennel space. he didn't want to do his male duties so i took her to his son and he didn't have a problem performing. if i still have the father once the bitch comes in heat again, i want to attempt to breed her to the father. so the question is, would it be advisable to breed a male/female out of ea litter to ea other or would it be to close of a family to breed that close?
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2017, 06:26:09 am » |
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In terms of closeness of a breeding based on genetic relationship, I think a sire to daughter or a litter mate brother to sister are about the same. However, the pups from a parent-offspring mating would be expected to be more alike or uniform than from a brother-sister mating. The genes are similar but are recombined differently. Also, if you are interested in perpetuating the old dog's genetics the sire to daughter would be better. I have had a couple of brother-sister litters that were not bad.
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Charles Long, Overton, TX
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Reuben
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2017, 08:22:13 am » |
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I agree with CL...I will add that in inbreeding we must take other things into consideration...now much linebreeding inbreeding has taken place in close up family tree? Also use dogs that you really like as working dogs in the line of work you like...and of course putting in the time and effort in selecting the right pups for use and future breedings...
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charles
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2017, 09:44:55 am » |
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a background on the father and son. the sire is 50% wrights yellow jacket, the the dam of the son, which i bred to the sire was 50% of yellow jacket. the bitch i I'm trying to get bred now is 50/50 catahoula and dogo. i might have pulled spook (catdo) out to soon, but i pull her out and take her to bo (the son) and he does business, so I'm keeping that breeding going. i wanted to breed the sire first so i can clear him out, but that isn't going to happen till spook's next cycle. anyways, I'm wanting to a pup from bo/spook and spook/leggins and cross them out. the only con i have of father son is, they don't like ea other and i can't hunt them together without a fight on my hands. the son is 1 hell of guard dog, who even wants to take a chunk of flesh out of me if i get him riled up and he has broken and pulled up his stake and was a good boy and bit the mother in law. spook is highly territorial herself, and will do damage if provoked and the sire the same, but take more provocation. I'm wanting to concentrate the aggressiveness/guard genetics. since I'm not really into hunting from the ground with dogs anymore, i figure to strengthen my protection at the house and concentrate my hunting hogs with death from above.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2017, 02:52:01 pm » |
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You need to take into account and what could play a major factor is how hard line bred are inbred was the parents and grand parents and maybe even great grand parents before you got the dogs you got now. Where any of these kin to begin with?
Also how good of dogs the two are that u are wanting to breed now based on how they are bred. This plays a row when heavy l8ne and inbreeding.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2017, 03:20:11 pm » |
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Id have to look at the papers, but the sire and dam of bo are half siblings out of different bitches, and they have the same grand sire and great grand sire. As for how good of dogs are the 1s im breeding now, as in my previous post, bo will lay the canines to people and spook too, but to the extent of bo. So as to how good are they, they are both what I WANT, maybe not not other want, but what i want for yard dogs that wont let strangers in the house or through the back door.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2017, 10:37:14 pm » |
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Yup I didn't read all that before hand. Long as they suit u thats good nuff.
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