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    I'm almost done with school, and I'm ready to get back into my dogs again. I'm looking for standard american bulldogs that don't look like pit bulls. they should have a shorter muzzle( but not smashed in) and heavier bone. Basically the old type farm utility dog. any Idea where I can start looking, or who I can talk to? Many thanks in advance.

[Mike]

Like this...

[Slim9797]

Indian valley ranch always has some nice ones.


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[alphabravo]

Like this...

 YESSIR!! BTW like the color.

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 I had a pitbull that looked a lot lie your dog. same color same build  too. I think he had some bulldog in him. he was dead calm for a pit and real suspicious of strangers.

[alphabravo]

Indian valley ranch always has some nice ones.


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 Do you know how to contact them?

[Mike]

This dog came from Indian Valley Ranch... Britt Garcia.

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This dog came from Indian Valley Ranch... Britt Garcia.

 OK Good to know. I'm just really getting into the standard side a bit more now. My focus is on producing a good farm dog that still has drive, but has a cooler head. Not a cat or chicken killer. Not an outright rowdy dog that's hard to handle. A dog that can be a pet, but can also be put to work when needed. One I dont have to worry about kids getting hurt( unless I decide not to dock his tail).

[Semmes]

If you like that dog I’d go with his breeder Alan Scott, owl hollow kennels. Britt has what look to be really nice dogs from posts I’ve seen over the years. Maybe more standard type then you are looking for... idk
Scott Pugh at yellow hammer kennels has dogs with the temperament you describe. And tico at jam up bulldogs as well. ....maybe don Mathews at konfederate kennels.  Just get a dog from a breeding off  their more blocky stock when it comes up... talk to each look at the dogs they are breeding and go from there

[Freedom-Fighter00]

If I was in the market for a AB I wouldn’t look any further then Scott Pugh( Yellow Hammer Kennels).
Structure, temperment,drive. I could let my kids around them day and night without any worries.What more could u ask for.
He knows his dogs. I’ve even placed a few times in the ring with my old Bulldozer.
I am not a paid spokesperson Yellow hammerKennels.

[Freedom-Fighter00]

For whatever it cut half my post. I’m not a paid spokesperson for Yellow hammer Kennels.

[ArtHenrey]

I've owned 2 of Britt's dogs one is doing amazing in the woods already at 11 months old.
The other I lost her early on but she was catchin at an early age and was an amazing little bulldog. I'm hoping to get another female soon.


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If you like that dog I’d go with his breeder Alan Scott, owl hollow kennels. Britt has what look to be really nice dogs from posts I’ve seen over the years. Maybe more standard type then you are looking for... idk
Scott Pugh at yellow hammer kennels has dogs with the temperament you describe. And tico at jam up bulldogs as well. ....maybe don Mathews at konfederate kennels.  Just get a dog from a breeding off  their more blocky stock when it comes up... talk to each look at the dogs they are breeding and go from there

  Does Scott have a website? I do not have a FB and have no intention of starting one.  Or if you can give me another eaybto contact him, it would be most appreciated

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If you like that dog I’d go with his breeder Alan Scott, owl hollow kennels. Britt has what look to be really nice dogs from posts I’ve seen over the years. Maybe more standard type then you are looking for... idk
Scott Pugh at yellow hammer kennels has dogs with the temperament you describe. And tico at jam up bulldogs as well. ....maybe don Mathews at konfederate kennels.  Just get a dog from a breeding off  their more blocky stock when it comes up... talk to each look at the dogs they are breeding and go from there

 Most of Alan Scott's  stuff that looks how I describe is off of crusher. I've known some people out my way that have that blood. For some reason, the only ones that seem to like it are the ones that do nothing but feed and breed. No disrespect to Alan Scott, just being honest.

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If you like that dog I’d go with his breeder Alan Scott, owl hollow kennels. Britt has what look to be really nice dogs from posts I’ve seen over the years. Maybe more standard type then you are looking for... idk
Scott Pugh at yellow hammer kennels has dogs with the temperament you describe. And tico at jam up bulldogs as well. ....maybe don Mathews at konfederate kennels.  Just get a dog from a breeding off  their more blocky stock when it comes up... talk to each look at the dogs they are breeding and go from there

 Most of Alan Scott's  stuff that looks how I describe is off of crusher. I've known some people out my way that have that blood. For some reason, the only ones that seem to like it are the ones that do nothing but feed and breed. No disrespect to Alan Scott, just being honest.

I hunt abs off scotts yard but none 4 sale 4 a while ... sorry i cant help now. luv them

[Semmes]

I’m ain’t run tell you what you want... you got to find that for yourself...
lots of us walked thru the fire and learned along the way what burns less.
You said you liked the look of a dog and posted a pic.
I knew the look of the dog you described and it’s lineage and pointed you in that direction.
I’d say the temperament be there as well knowing the dogs behind that dog.
I ain’t no commercial for Alan. I like Alan as a person and glad I know him and think we can call each other  friends even tho we don’t have common dogs.He breeds what suits him and a lot of folks like it and a lot don’t.
Really don’t concern me just pointing you in a few directions that you may find a dog that suit you.
I the more standard type abs myself. I like the longer nose and more athletic less blocky frame Britt or anerican legends may produce. Not to say Scott , tico, Alan or Don or a list as long as my arm couldn’t and doesn’t produce out of certain of their dogs as well....
This is coming from a guy that went thru a litteny of abs from all dif bloodlines and lives the breed but now happy with his ab/pit  and ab/cat crosses...they ain’t worth much and ain’t papered. But I like what they are and don’t sell dogs so was trying to point you in direction u was stealing towards

[Mike]

The dog I posted above is directly off Alan's yard... and so is this gyp that I hunted for several years. I believe she was a Crusher granddaughter... one of the hardest catching bulldogs I've ever owned.

[Semmes]

Really nice looking dog mike! I remember when you posted her on truegrit message board years ago.
I was much more jaded back then and I the throws of dog line retardism...lol

Honestly, alpha, I’d steer you towards Scott at yellow hammer. Just cause I know him well, we ate close friends of bout a decade, and know he would treat you right if you wee disappointed if he thought you were right for one of his dogs in the first place.
 
He has a number of old school lines he had been diligently tracing and combining in various degrees for years.

We have kinda dif view if the breed origin but it ain’t never made a bit of difference in our friendship and respect for each other.

...not that it has with me or some of the others it’s just Scott and I communicate more frequently than with the others and our common passion for some ol raggedy cur dogs out of the same blood, now a days since life took me out that whole bulldog scene

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I’m ain’t run tell you what you want... you got to find that for yourself...
lots of us walked thru the fire and learned along the way what burns less.
You said you liked the look of a dog and posted a pic.
I knew the look of the dog you described and it’s lineage and pointed you in that direction.
I’d say the temperament be there as well knowing the dogs behind that dog.
I ain’t no commercial for Alan. I like Alan as a person and glad I know him and think we can call each other  friends even tho we don’t have common dogs.He breeds what suits him and a lot of folks like it and a lot don’t.
Really don’t concern me just pointing you in a few directions that you may find a dog that suit you.
I the more standard type abs myself. I like the longer nose and more athletic less blocky frame Britt or anerican legends may produce. Not to say Scott , tico, Alan or Don or a list as long as my arm couldn’t and doesn’t produce out of certain of their dogs as well....
This is coming from a guy that went thru a litteny of abs from all dif bloodlines and lives the breed but now happy with his ab/pit  and ab/cat crosses...they ain’t worth much and ain’t papered. But I like what they are and don’t sell dogs so was trying to point you in direction u was stealing towards

 I appreciate that very much. I'm not trying to raise hackles, I'm just giving an  account of my personal experience.  I get the more athletic type AB. I've got one myself. She will be  three in March. the thing about the more pit bull looking ones that I've seen my self is that they tend to be harder to handle. took me a solid month of knocking that dog over the head to get her to stop chasing cats. I have a ten year old bulldog that looks how I describe. it only took me raising my voice twice to get her to stop chasing cats. both dogs have caught hogs. My older one busted a tooth on a hog. I hear my experience is very  common with both types of standard dogs. Unfortunately,the type of dog I'm looking forgets bred for money more thatn working ability. I use bulldogs more for protection work than hog hunting. Catch dogs have the main ingredients to make a good protection dog, but they need the training. I like a blockier dog for that job. Blocky but still athletic. I'm not asking the dog to run a two second hundred meter dash and scale the empire state building, but they have to work.

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The dog I posted above is directly off Alan's yard... and so is this gyp that I hunted for several years. I believe she was a Crusher granddaughter... one of the hardest catching bulldogs I've ever owned.

         I've heard that crusher produced hard catch dogs. I don't doubt that at all. But are are a few people that have dogs down off of crusher that are the exception. I ended up getting a dog that was crusher on the top side of the ped and honey girl on the bottom. I couldn't even get her to chase a ball or a laser pointer dot. I got her from a breeder that breeds on crusher TIGHT. she breeds so tight, that she gets long haired bulldogs out of her stock.

 Another breeder had a crusher great grandson that she could not get to catch or bite a sleeve. she ended up giving him to a pet home. I understand that not every pup in a litter  will grow up to burn the woods down to bite some bacon, but my experience with that blood has not been great. Id love to have a better experience with it. seeing as I like the look of most of the crusher offspring I've seen and have heard great things about the blood.