Large catch dog 55+ lbs VS small catch dog 50 and below

[Semmes]

Black streak I agree with your last post.

Make em squeal is just reinventing the composite breed that is the ab.

I know because I am as well... just stuck on stupid I guess.

But I do love the ab, I hate it at the same time.

I feel it was a job halfassed done from the getgo. And good ones can be a flash in the pan that can’t produce with any certainty.

But the good ones can also be some of the greatest ones.

Tmatt, I also agree with you... pit bulls are the wellspring of the greatest ‘gladiators’ of the dogworld  in existence today and the component that adds the finishing edge to any real life on the line gambit in the world of canines. If one is looking for pure selflessness and die doing the job the pit bull is the component.  Not to say ebt, some mastiffs, and other ‘breeds’ can’t or don’t reflect these traits ...like abs or dogs. But this gene comes from the bulldog and it’s most original manifestation today in modern times is the pit bull.

Now I can dig the various Lurcher crosses in the same rite.  A lot of which may also exhibit infusion of genes of the precursor to the bulldog...the Aluant or whatever. Even modern greyhounds have had recent infusion.

I can dig terriers too... the only other dead game pool of canines

We could go deep on that as well but the apbt embodies the combination of both those breeds already hence the enormous size variation. Making it the the pinnacle of a natural selfless gladiator in the world of cannids

[Semmes]

I watched a funny video online the other day...maybe I’ll try and find it again and link it....

It was of a well over 150lb kangal...

These are the fighting dogs of the Middle East. They are giant. I have seen videos of them whipping 40lb pits adnausium but the outweigh em by 3 times and have 2inch hangers.

The eastern dog breeds when matched evenly are just wrestlers. Not really killers...

Anyway this dog was next to a hogpen with maybe 200-250lb punk farm boars in it.

The dog was raising hell and with encouragement from handler would just hop fence on it on will, cause it was so dang big. And nip a boar on its backside. When confronted it would hop back over and go to baying. This happened prob 10 times in a five minute video....the whole time the dudes are praising this accomplishment. I’m thinking any 15 lb patterdale would be swinging any decent pit it be game over. Not to mention anything with any ounce of blood from either of those breed genesis.

I guess it don’t take much to excite em in that side of the world...

Maybe cowards just can’t help but breed cowards

[Reuben]

Semmes...I have seen the same types of videos with the dogos and the handlers get all excited about a nipper that backs up and bays...

I am one of those that first impressions carry a lot of weight...there are no excuses...either they are or they aren’t...

I am a fan of the terriers myself and the Europeans have some terriers that will die before they back up...and they have some of the best breeding programs as well...

IMO the Pitbull is the best of the best...but even they have gotten in the wrong hands for breeding quality dogs and many pit bulls have lost those traits that have made them the best...

[Semmes]

I could post some videos of ABs in Russia readily available on YouTube, if you know where to look cause it’s in Russian, that would give insight into the fire the various lines of  ab could produce...

I won’t tho  out of respect for mike’s sire because they are most def illegal, I just say this because I believe the ab to be a composite with a heavy 1920’s Colby type pit bull base.

The dogo is much the same...

$ signs and the high prices of dog breeds can stop advancement and elevation
in it’s tracks.   

[Semmes]

Performance in whatever venue should always be the only dictating factors in the development of a dog breed, In any venue.

I know I’m preachin to the choir here with hunters. But the vast populous has stifled the advancement of most recognized breeds. It’s pc culture of the dog world

[Judge peel]

I like bulldogs of all colors and size if they work they work but I like the smaller ones they have worked much better for me then the big ones.


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[hyan]

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.


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[tmatt]

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.


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They have been bred for 100+ years to be game... no other dog has been bred for gameness like an APBT has been.

Size has nothing to do with gameness. Just because a dog is game does not mean the dog is the baddest. There is a huge difference between gameness and being a badass. The reason people take the forfeit on a pound is because you want to be evenly matched and not give the other dog an advantage. No where was it ever said that the APBT was the baddest dog ever. Maybe your definition of gameness is screwed up... a little research in that area would go a long ways.

[hyan]

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.


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They have been bred for 100+ years to be game... no other dog has been bred for gameness like an APBT has been.

Size has nothing to do with gameness. Just because a dog is game does not mean the dog is the baddest. There is a huge difference between gameness and being a badass. The reason people take the forfeit on a pound is because you want to be evenly matched and not give the other dog an advantage. No where was it ever said that the APBT was the baddest dog ever. Maybe your definition of gameness is screwed up... a little research in that area would go a long ways.

Game in my definition is a dog that will go at it 100% weather they are win losing or on deaths door they will fight with every thing they have. N I have seen dogs do that from a lot more breeds then just a pit.


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[tmatt]

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.


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They have been bred for 100+ years to be game... no other dog has been bred for gameness like an APBT has been.

Size has nothing to do with gameness. Just because a dog is game does not mean the dog is the baddest. There is a huge difference between gameness and being a badass. The reason people take the forfeit on a pound is because you want to be evenly matched and not give the other dog an advantage. No where was it ever said that the APBT was the baddest dog ever. Maybe your definition of gameness is screwed up... a little research in that area would go a long ways.

Game in my definition is a dog that will go at it 100% weather they are win losing or on deaths door they will fight with every thing they have. N I have seen dogs do that from a lot more breeds then just a pit.


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Of course you have... You've seen everything. Did you see one continue until they were actually dead?

[TheRednose]

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.

Hey Kai I would like to share how I look at this.

Gameness has nothing to do with size and it also has nothing to do with ability. Gameness is the willingness to fight and continue to fight regardless of pain or any other circumstance. There is different degrees of gameness, the highest being dead game meaning they are willing to continue to fight even till death. That being said many dead game dogs have lost, that is why we know they were dead game. That is the only true way to know they were dead game without speculation. Many times they have lost to dogs that were far less game but much more talented. That is where the term game plug comes from, a dead game dog with no talent.

Other breeds of dogs will show certain levels of gameness as well as some gamebred APBT's will be curs. You have to remember these dogs are made of flesh and bone and are not machines so nothing is absolute. But this being said it is the APBT that on the most consistent basis shows the highest levels of gameness with nothing else even coming close.

-Michael

[hyan]

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.


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They have been bred for 100+ years to be game... no other dog has been bred for gameness like an APBT has been.

Size has nothing to do with gameness. Just because a dog is game does not mean the dog is the baddest. There is a huge difference between gameness and being a badass. The reason people take the forfeit on a pound is because you want to be evenly matched and not give the other dog an advantage. No where was it ever said that the APBT was the baddest dog ever. Maybe your definition of gameness is screwed up... a little research in that area would go a long ways.

Game in my definition is a dog that will go at it 100% weather they are win losing or on deaths door they will fight with every thing they have. N I have seen dogs do that from a lot more breeds then just a pit.


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Of course you have... You've seen everything. Did you see one continue until they were actually dead?

Once I am not saying that pit are good game dogs I am saying u can’t say that they are the best ever n most game when they only bin breeding for 100 years like said


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[hyan]

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.

Hey Kai I would like to share how I look at this.

Gameness has nothing to do with size and it also has nothing to do with ability. Gameness is the willingness to fight and continue to fight regardless of pain or any other circumstance. There is different degrees of gameness, the highest being dead game meaning they are willing to continue to fight even till death. That being said many dead game dogs have lost, that is why we know they were dead game. That is the only true way to know they were dead game without speculation. Many times they have lost to dogs that were far less game but much more talented. That is where the term game plug comes from, a dead game dog with no talent.

Other breeds of dogs will show certain levels of gameness as well as some gamebred APBT's will be curs. You have to remember these dogs are made of flesh and bone and are not machines so nothing is absolute. But this being said it is the APBT that on the most consistent basis shows the highest levels of gameness with nothing else even coming close.

-Michael

I understand but I wonder if that is because people mostly match apbt n don’t look at other dogs to match 


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[WayOutWest]

If the men that are betting money on a dog to win thought they could win with something other that an apbt, they would.

[Judge peel]

The bulldog has been around for close to 400 yrs that is documented in folklore and paintings and as war dogs. The bulldog came from men trying to beat and whoop other animals and for food. Many types of present day dogs as well in and before the mid 18th centuries the dogs found no equal game so they turned them to each other to test the quality of there dogs. Nothing beats this evaluation only the best survived the most game and the most talented as fighters and the easiest to handle. The dogs that drifted off into other breeds have the structure and physical presents to compete. But the only way for a animal as a whole to stay that game is to be contested plain and simple. I have seen a few breeds of dogs that could hold there own in a alley way or a back yard but the controlled pit where a dog must scratch back into its rival is a deferent world. Two lbs or less and the right conditioning and mouth or position can cost dearly. That is why handlers will take the forfeit and go. If there was a better contest dog the bulldog would have faded away.


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[Semmes]

I agree with your synopsis Rednose.

I probably shouldn’t have included the phrase deadgame in the terrier comment.

But some of those little dogs come about as close without actually testing for it.

Bryant on here, also goes by underdog. He doesn’t post much anymore.
 
He used to have a message board called bonedigger.

There was a guy from around lake Charles LA that used to post on his board. He had patterdales that he used on levees hunt hunting nutria. Man if you ain’t ever seen a nutria and the giant chisels of teeth they have then you can’t appreciate what I’m saying. But the dogs were smaller then these big rats and guy would send one down the hole. Basically to fight and hold this rat for as long as it took for him to dig with a shovel down to it and grab the dog out by the tail still holding the nutria by the head. Not like a dog can subdue an agile creature like a nutria with any hold besides it’s head.

I’ll never shake the image of some of the injuries those little dogs fought thru. Sinuses crushed, noses gone, just ate up. But still they held. Dirt falling in all around the only retreat is to back up hole to small to turn around losing oxygen sometimes. Hot as hell. Basically fighting face to face and giving away size with the animal in its own den.
 
I imagine if you got a good one out somehow without it prey a person could scratch it right back into that hole. But that just ain’t the game they play in the sport. But man that’s pretty doggone close to dead game and a lot did die doing it.

[Semmes]

Plus I’ve heard of folks matching them in the bed of pickup trucks against each other and betting on it so I suppose somewhere along the way the could have actually been selected for gameness...

[TheRednose]

If the men that are betting money on a dog to win thought they could win with something other that an apbt, they would.

Thinks makes me think of a quote from an old game dog guy that went something like this "I'd breed to a bird dog if I thought it could help me win". I may have butchered that a little but you get the point.

[tmatt]

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.


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They have been bred for 100+ years to be game... no other dog has been bred for gameness like an APBT has been.

Size has nothing to do with gameness. Just because a dog is game does not mean the dog is the baddest. There is a huge difference between gameness and being a badass. The reason people take the forfeit on a pound is because you want to be evenly matched and not give the other dog an advantage. No where was it ever said that the APBT was the baddest dog ever. Maybe your definition of gameness is screwed up... a little research in that area would go a long ways.

Game in my definition is a dog that will go at it 100% weather they are win losing or on deaths door they will fight with every thing they have. N I have seen dogs do that from a lot more breeds then just a pit.


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Of course you have... You've seen everything. Did you see one continue until they were actually dead?

Once I am not saying that pit are good game dogs I am saying u can’t say that they are the best ever n most game when they only bin breeding for 100 years like said


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Ok, I will ask again... Have you seen one of these dogs that you claim to be as game as an APBT continue until they are dead?
I can say they are the gamest dogs ever made and will continue to say they are the gamest dogs ever made. You will, on occasion, find a game dog that isn't an APBT, hell there is a chance you may even find a blue dog that is game for that matter but they are few and far between.
Pitbulls have been being bred for well over 100 years... Name 1 other dog that has been bred for gameness for even 100 years.

[tmatt]

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.

Hey Kai I would like to share how I look at this.

Gameness has nothing to do with size and it also has nothing to do with ability. Gameness is the willingness to fight and continue to fight regardless of pain or any other circumstance. There is different degrees of gameness, the highest being dead game meaning they are willing to continue to fight even till death. That being said many dead game dogs have lost, that is why we know they were dead game. That is the only true way to know they were dead game without speculation. Many times they have lost to dogs that were far less game but much more talented. That is where the term game plug comes from, a dead game dog with no talent.

Other breeds of dogs will show certain levels of gameness as well as some gamebred APBT's will be curs. You have to remember these dogs are made of flesh and bone and are not machines so nothing is absolute. But this being said it is the APBT that on the most consistent basis shows the highest levels of gameness with nothing else even coming close.

-Michael

Exactly!!!