Valu-Pak Question

[Bottom Dogger]

Recently heard a couple people complaining that valu-pak made their dogs not come in heat or breed. Anyone else experienced this or heard of such? Seems a little extreme to me. Thanks

[Pwilson_10]

I have had two gyps on it for there whole life and now that u say that they ain’t yet in 3 years just never thought about it tell u said something cuz I had one killed the other night and I’m kicking my self in the u know what for not breeding her


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[Reuben]

I been feeding a gyp Valu-Pak for a little over 2 and a half months and she came in and has been bred...

Can’t say for longer periods of time...

[Goose87]

I fed it for a while and was even selling it and I had problems with a few of my females not cycling and a good friend of mine was having the same issue, can't place all the blame on the feed being as we did have some females coming in, just not the ones we wanted, and it was the ones we were hunting a good bit, an old dog man told us about feeding a female a baseball size ball of raw ground meat with a table spoon of salt in it everyday for a week, can't say if that works either because his gyp cycled and mine didn't it, I swapped to retriever in the blue bag from TSC, and still no heat cycles at all on my yard, finally put the whole yard on Showtime, and the bitches I wanted bred started them on a multi vitamin for k9's and it wasn't long and all of my females started cycling, I keep mostly females anyways and it was, bam, one estrous cycle after another, I'm currently still feeding the showtime and dang sure not having any troubles with them cycling at a minimum twice in a calendar year, now I have read where there were some studies being done to look at the effects of ivomectin interfering and disrupting a females dogs  normal estrous cycle, and again that was a common denominator on both mine and my buddies yards, I used to give ivomectin religiously once a month at 1cc per dog, I have since stopped doing that and only give it once the weather stays consistently above 75 degrees which is usually May-sept/oct. and only give them .5 cc per dog and give the first dose orally with the .5cc of ivomectin and the other 2.5ccs is water I n a 3 ml syringe so it doesn't scaled their throats, the rest of mosquito season I swap it up between sub-que and IM, a lot of different things can be playing a factor in them not cycling, I have a running Walker gyp that is was extremely lean and muscular, real athletic type and build, that didn't come in until she was nearly 3, full time professional women athletes such as gymnast, track and field, and swimmers, experience the same things when they're at tip top shape, this gyp was the first one I tried the vitamin and showtime feed on and was the first to cycle within a month of changing her diet and also backing off on the ivomectin until mosquito season, your dogs could have some sort of vitamin or mineral deficiency that they're not getting from the Valu-Pak, I was buying a ton a month for myself and selling half of it to few cattle/day hands and I got 3 bad tons in a row, and my dogs fell off horribly quick when they were getting used a lot, the feed was extremely dry and hardly had any oil/grease, so I quit buying it and corresponded with a feed rep for Specialty feeds, the makers of valu pak, and was assured the issue was taken care of, now it's just not logistically feasible for me to buy it where I live, and I can get the showtime right here by my house from two different dealers, cost me a little more but it's a small expense I'm willing to deal with, I was first turned on to VP by some hardcore year round running dog guys that hunted hard and ran hard during the off season in 2013, they all loved it and I saw the condition of their dogs and I was sold on it, it was the greatest thing since an ice box in my opinion at first, I was paying 19$ a bag at pallet price and my dogs looked great, after a year I noticed the decline in the feed and my dogs performance, and about the same time so did a few of the deer doggers, and slowly we all stared feeding the showtime, a few of those guys have since gone back to the VP and aren't having any complaints performance wise but I haven't heard any of them mention it effecting their estrous cycles, and aside from being to lean and muscular and dog can be to fat and that will cause them to have a higher body temperature that could offset and disrupt a females bodies ability to regulate hormonal function and that can be an underlying issue for a number of problems , I know that is a big issue in the 4H/show calf world, maybe some of this rambling will help point you in the direction to getting to the source of your problem and straightening it out, time for me to fix another glass of ice tea and get back out in the sauna I call a yard here in South La...

[Reuben]

Years ago before websites like this one I had issues with females not coming in...I strongly suspected ivomec so I cut back on it and they started cycling normally which is every six months...

Like goose has already mentioned...there are supplement concoctions out there that claim to get the females to cycle normally...

[bigo]

I fed the VP 24/20 for a while and some dogs held weight good and some didn't. The main concern was the way their hair looked and overall bloom, plus the pups didn't put on weight and grow like my dogs usually do. My grandson has a pup here and he just wasn't doing like I like so I switched to Victor and was surprised at how quick he took off in growth and weight gain. I also believe that iodine deficiency is the fertility, hair and growth problems rather than too much iodine. The only way to know for sure is with blood test.
    I also believe that people give way too much ivomectin. The heartworm preventatives that are sold by Vets contain about 1/10th of a CC per 40lbs. I mix 1cc ivomectin to 9cc propylene glycol and give 1cc per 40lbs. Once something is mixed with propylene glycol, it will stay mixed, plus it is a preservative. This mixture was recommended and given to a friend of mine by the Vets at LSU where he dose a lot of artificial dog breeding business.

[t-dog]

Bigo, I assume you give that subq?

[bignasty]

I always check the preservitives in foods but no body want to talk about it on here I've brought it up n4 they buy that crap because it's cheap,

Been using ivermectin 1/10 per 10 lbs monthly for over 20 years have never had a problem with female heat cycles or any other side affectss

[bigo]

I give it orally. I know all you guys have been using it for years at high doses but it's not necessary and can do harm in some dogs. I read an article earlier today that said 3cc of 1% ivermectin  in a 30cc dropper bottle then fill with propylene glycol will treat 9,000 lbs of dogs. I do give a little more than it says, just to be safe and some of my dogs have lived to be 17 to 20 years of age. Several of them were doing a good job in the woods at 13 or 14 years old.

[Bottom Dogger]

Saw on tv were the FDA is linking canine heart disease to grain free dog feed. Anyone done any research on this?

[Goose87]

Saw on tv were the FDA is linking canine heart disease to grain free dog feed. Anyone done any research on this?

I've seen it myself but haven't looked into it, seems to me this maybe a smoke and mirrors campaign being funded by the giant kibble manufacturers, a dog isn't biologically designed to be a grain eater, we feed kibble because of its convenience and it's all most of us have ever known to feed and these big companies know they have us right where they want us and are charging an arm and a leg at retail for waste by products from other food processing sectors there are buying for pennies, in the last 7 years or so raw diets have been gaining steam in popularity and health benefits and are becoming a competitor to kibble, even Walmart offers frozen diets for dogs and cats now, that cuts out these large kibble companies along with less health issues which cuts into the vet industry, which is an absolute rip off itself...

[bigo]

That 9,000 lbs should have been 900 lbs, Getting old and chemo sure works on your brain.

[Reuben]

It this time in the summer my dogs are eating less than ever...I am still feeding the val- pak in the black bag...less feed = less waste...