Deer July hound for hogs

[Goose87]

Goose what about the redtick? Redtick is not a running dog color nor a curdog color.

Her sire is a red and white running walker and her mother is a tri colored cur dog with some ticking on her legs, two out of this litter come black white and tan like most walkers, 3 came red and white like the sire, 2 males came ticked up but were black with some small tan patches and eventually faded out, and this female was red ticked...

[The Old Man]

There's an English dog somewhere in that woodpile, maybe back down the line in the Bobcat walkers they done that to help with the treeing and it just showed back up , once something is in there it can show generations later. But you'll have to agree Redtick is not a Running Walker, July or Cur Dog color. No harm intended she just stood out and I originally thought she might be a different cross.
I've saw lots of running dogs, growing up they were big in this country for red fox and or coyotes, they ran them at night, usually older fellows, built a fire then cast dogs and listen all night. They never gunned them it was all about the race, they did catch a few but not many, thick country. Generally the group had 2 or 3 "jump" dogs and fed the rest in to them to be sure of the game they were on. Heard many a race out my bedroom  window and  sometimes on my way home from coon hunting or having been out carousing around would stop in at their camp and listen and shoot the bull awhile. In those days the running was all outside, no pens yet.

[t-dog]

Goose what type of cur was the red ticked pup out of? You said the gyp was tri colored with some ticking. I thought maybe there was a chance of some hound influence in her side prior to the introduction of the running dogs. Don't really matter either way. It doesn't change what you have. They are still really nice.


Old man, you are exactly right about once you put something in your dogs that it can show up waaaaay down the line when you least expect it and usually when you can least afford it. I tell that to my buddies all the time when trying to determine how to breed.

[Goose87]

There's an English dog somewhere in that woodpile, maybe back down the line in the Bobcat walkers they done that to help with the treeing and it just showed back up , once something is in there it can show generations later. But you'll have to agree Redtick is not a Running Walker, July or Cur Dog color. No harm intended she just stood out and I originally thought she might be a different cross.
I've saw lots of running dogs, growing up they were big in this country for red fox and or coyotes, they ran them at night, usually older fellows, built a fire then cast dogs and listen all night. They never gunned them it was all about the race, they did catch a few but not many, thick country. Generally the group had 2 or 3 "jump" dogs and fed the rest in to them to be sure of the game they were on. Heard many a race out my bedroom  window and  sometimes on my way home from coon hunting or having been out carousing around would stop in at their camp and listen and shoot the bull awhile. In those days the running was all outside, no pens yet.

I agree with there being something else in the woodpile I’ll post a pic of their mother, she’s as cur as cur can get but her looks say other wise lol, if y’all want you can zoom in and check out her sisters legs, they are ticked up as well...


The main reason I give her to my friend Billy is because he has always liked a red ticked dog, and she looks like she could be a full sibling to one he has that half blue tick and half BMC...

[Goose87]

Her sires full littermate brother looked just like a glass eyed treeing walker, he would’ve been the sire to RBZ_offroads Diva gyp, I’ve always been convinced that there’s some walker in there that came from her grand sires side and background but after talking to Mr. Mackie Strong of north La a couple years ago at Uncle Earls he showed me pictures of some of the old Sam Mason stock and a lot of them were walker patterned coats, so there’s definitely some foxhound influence in today’s Catahoulas, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t some English dog bred into them because the man who developed her grandsires side used to run a pack of hounds years and years ago way beige he had cur dogs and would get fighting mad if somebody assumed his cur dogs had hound bred into them, either way it doesn’t have any impact on where I’m headed from here with them and what they are and reproduce...

Clue your description of the old foxhound days brought back a lot of memories, I can remember being a little boy and my daddy dragging me to a fox race every weekend and a lot of times if he ran during the week he would run in a pen and would always build me a fire in a wood heater in a tin sided makeshift camp and I went to sleep many many nights listening to a pack of walkers burning a coyote up, I was brought up literally around the last days of the free range running in our area...

[t-dog]

Goose I have a pup that looks Walker in his markings as well. He is Cat/Walker and the Walker is only 1/4. That being said, his daddy was marked exactly the same way and he was only 1/8 Walker. I usually get at least 1 pup in every litter if not more that have the hound markings or coloring. Some are Walker tri color some are white with red, lemon, or brindle patches and a lot of them tick out more and more the older they get. The Walker blood in mine was Lipper (treeing walker). I think the catahoula has something to add to the ticking as well. I'm betting your ticking is from her side and not the running dogs. One of my mentors always told me that the Catahoulas started out as two basic strains, a Louisiana strain and a Texas strain. One bred bulldog into theirs for more bite the other bred hound into them for nose. I absolutely  believe this. I have seen numerous papered cats that looked half to almost pure bulldog and I've also seen some papered dogs that looked like hounds in a merle wrapper. As said before, once it's in there...

[Goose87]

Goose I have a pup that looks Walker in his markings as well. He is Cat/Walker and the Walker is only 1/4. That being said, his daddy was marked exactly the same way and he was only 1/8 Walker. I usually get at least 1 pup in every litter if not more that have the hound markings or coloring. Some are Walker tri color some are white with red, lemon, or brindle patches and a lot of them tick out more and more the older they get. The Walker blood in mine was Lipper (treeing walker). I think the catahoula has something to add to the ticking as well. I'm betting your ticking is from her side and not the running dogs. One of my mentors always told me that the Catahoulas started out as two basic strains, a Louisiana strain and a Texas strain. One bred bulldog into theirs for more bite the other bred hound into them for nose. I absolutely  believe this. I have seen numerous papered cats that looked half to almost pure bulldog and I've also seen some papered dogs that looked like hounds in a merle wrapper. As said before, once it's in there...

My gyps sire and one of his littermate brothers looked identical, mostly white with some lemon/light brown and a little Merle  patchwork, whenever either one of them was bred to my gyps mother there was always a walker patterned looking one or two in the bunch, there's not a person alive that can tell you what makes a catahoula, same as the black mouth cur, there's individuals who can trace their dogs lineages back for many many generations but can only go so far and even then the majority of that information is going off a human beings integrity and word and when it comes to dogs I've seen more than one instance of upstanding right living citizens get a little crooked when it comes to a dog, by no means am I calling anyone out or a liar, just stating the obvious when dealing with dogs, it doesn't make a hill of beans to me what's behind them, my only concern is where they're headed, not just my dogs but dogs in general, there's glass eyed running hounds with Merle coats and glass eyes have been seen in treeing walkers (which themselves came from running walkers) and blue ticks, and back when dogs were mainly bred for a necessity a man had to breed in and add what was missing and needed to get the job done so only God knows what's actually behind all our dogs, I wholeheartedly believe what you said about the two different strains of catahoulas because I've seen it as well, I sent a gyp to Mackie Strong, whose sire was one of the males mentioned above and her mother was a half sister to him, the mother to that gyp was by far the coldest nose cur dog I've ever laid eyes on, on more than one occasion I saw her put her nose in a track in a road and throw her head up and bawl and do the same on the next track, all the while there were other so called cold nosed dogs all standing around on their tails, these instances weren't just flukes, she was just way above the grade in the nose department, and then I've seen some that were straight catch, I owned one when I was a teenager, my dad got him for me when I was in the 7th grade and he died when I was 20, he had absolutely no bulldog looking attributes about him if anything he looked like he was part lab, he was off some old stock that had been used to first settle this area and the old timers just always kept a pair of them and every few years one of them would make a litter, his parents were around 10 when he was born, he would literally catch a 2500lb bull by the nose, set any boar hog on his ass, but had enough finesse that he slept inside every night and was my sisters guardian, he would lay for hours letting her do whatever she wanted and would walk in between her and the water and nudge her back up on the bank when my parents would bring us to the creek, just as soon as he saw me with a leash in my hand he went in business mode, I used him as a catch dog and even competed with him regularly at the catch dog trials we used to have around here, definitely a different type of cur dog than what I have today...

[Rough curs]

What you said is true about these cats having hound and bulldog in em...I'm in California and have saw both myself....tall skinny long eared chop or bawl mouth and I've saw the block headed short legged no bark all bite. Either way I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as a pure bread dog anymore.

[The Old Man]

No no no Goose, True Blackmouth Curs Got off the Ark with Noah and his family and were straight from heaven.

[The Old Man]

They are even more blessed than Florida Curdogs in the history of things.

[Goose87]

No no no Goose, True Blackmouth Curs Got off the Ark with Noah and his family and were straight from heaven.

Ain’t what I heard, I was told that spots came before solids, but the man who told me that said the ringnecks came before both of them, lol...

[jdt]

i just wish ta hell noah had dronwded them first 2 ticks , fleas  and mosqiotoes!






and the goats and sheep too 

[Slim9797]

No no no Goose, True Blackmouth Curs Got off the Ark with Noah and his family and were straight from heaven.

Ain’t what I heard, I was told that spots came before solids, but the man who told me that said the ringnecks came before both of them, lol...

Well they all started from the litter of pups I just had cause we had all 3 of the sorts.


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[cajunl]

They are even more blessed than Florida Curdogs in the history of things.

Best post of 2018! 

[make-em-squeel]

No no no Goose, True Blackmouth Curs Got off the Ark with Noah and his family and were straight from heaven.

now your talking lol, i didnt even know hounds could catch hogs ... lol jk

for what my opinion is worth, which with hounds is very limited, is that july hounds make one of the best for hogs b/c what separated them from the normal fox hounds was they ran tracks much faster and quieter than other fox hounds and would catch their prey quicker. The full july hound gyp ive hunted behind is totally silent and as good as any cur. not sure it thats the norm or not ...

[Slim9797]

Cscott had a half July half running Walker named sassy. She was legit as they come if you want to talk about bottom. Silent, loose, and couldn’t stop a hog very quick but she would sure hump up and run the air smooth out of one. Better pack a lunch if you were loading her up.


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[The Old Man]

We catch hogs steady with Plott Dogs, and to quote an old Cur Dog friend of mine, "if he's a hog dog you can tie a siren and a flashjing blue light on him and he will bay hogs" haha.

[Reuben]

We catch hogs steady with Plott Dogs, and to quote an old Cur Dog friend of mine, "if he's a hog dog you can tie a siren and a flashjing blue light on him and he will bay hogs" haha.

I like what you said...

the best dogs I have hunted with tend to open some...

[Jason Dunn]

We catch hogs steady with Plott Dogs, and to quote an old Cur Dog friend of mine, "if he's a hog dog you can tie a siren and a flashjing blue light on him and he will bay hogs" haha.

True statement.

[TheRednose]

Cscott had a half July half running Walker named sassy. She was legit as they come if you want to talk about bottom. Silent, loose, and couldn’t stop a hog very quick but she would sure hump up and run the air smooth out of one. Better pack a lunch if you were loading her up.

Slim is she not alive any longer?