socalhogger
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« on: February 06, 2019, 11:05:13 pm » |
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Why do bmc's throw bobtail puppys. Were does this trait origanate from.
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t-dog
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2019, 05:53:23 am » |
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I am no expert, but I always had the opinion that in order for a true black mouth to throw Bob tails, there had to be some mountain curr in the back ground somewhere. I'm sure that is a recessive gene which means both parents would have to carry it in order to get it. That wouldn't be far fetched especially if you were breeding within the same family. Just my opinion of course.
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jdt
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2019, 04:26:10 pm » |
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the fla dogs have bobtails in some lines . most others don't . i'm told the ones that do go back to a beavers crook dog .
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Reuben
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2019, 06:52:55 pm » |
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I am no expert, but I always had the opinion that in order for a true black mouth to throw Bob tails, there had to be some mountain curr in the back ground somewhere. I'm sure that is a recessive gene which means both parents would have to carry it in order to get it. That wouldn't be far fetched especially if you were breeding within the same family. Just my opinion of course.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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Pwilson_10
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2019, 06:16:08 am » |
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How come as soon as I saw mountain cur I know Reuben was going to say something hahahah
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Goose87
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2019, 07:28:10 am » |
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Or could it be that Mt. Curs have some BMC in them lol...
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Slim9797
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2019, 01:10:20 pm » |
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Why do bmc's throw bobtail puppys. Were does this trait origanate from.
It happens cause Bmc are such gritty badasses they occasionally bite each others tails off in the womb. All other breed it’s just a genetic defect. Bmc are only ones that are caused by pure grit Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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We run dillo dogs that trash on hogs
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Goose87
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2019, 01:53:23 pm » |
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If the wrights dogs are used as an example then I've always heard it came from the TLS Delight gyp, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure she was a tree dog and was added to the blood to make the dogs more "versatile", but y'all know how them "I heard" stories go...
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warrent423
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2019, 09:38:58 am » |
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Just to set the record straight, TLS Delight was a Florida bred cur cow dog that came from West Ft. Pierce, Fl. She came from the Adam's Ranch cow crew and was not a "Papered" dog. Never seen her, but have seen several Adam's bred dogs. As with most lines from Central/South Florida, several bob tailed dogs have been produced. Last time I checked, there were no "mountains" in that part of the state  |
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Catchin hogs cracker style
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t-dog
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2019, 01:22:52 pm » |
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Sometimes you can take the dog out of the mountains but you can't take the mountains out of the dog, lol. If I remember correctly, the Ben dog was a Florida dog before Randy got him. At least that's the story I was told.
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Reuben
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2019, 09:09:39 pm » |
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I would like to hunt behind a great BMC dog...if you have one of those please invite me so I can see it doing its thing...not a Florida cur and not an east Texas cur...but a true BMC dog that can do it all...
Years ago I hunted with one...his name was gold nugget... I hunted with that dog when he was 18 months old...he was dark reddish gold in color...black mask and black trim on ears about 60 pounds of well built dog...only thing that dog needed was to get his tail bobbed about 6” short...lol
He had been culled because he was rough on cows and a bay buster on hogs...I could have bought him for $325.00 and been wishing I had whenever I think about it...
A boat hog would be sitting on his jewelry to alleviate the pain...
He was a bay buster...true, but he would single on hog out and be nose to nose baying and the hog would have its back end backed up to a log or tree...I got there with the catch dog and both would catch...hog secured and he would roll over...always 3 loud chops when starting the track and a dead run...the prettiest mouth you ever heard on strike...and his bay bark could be heard a long ways and it was a beautiful chopping bark...when you was ready to go you’d better catch him first before catching the hog...even though he was a bay buster his plan was to catch them all one at a time...
This was almost 40 years ago...he came out of Tiboli, Texas, area is all I know about him...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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The Old Man
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2019, 09:19:13 pm » |
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The Ben dog you mention was bred and born in Muskogee Oklahoma out of a Jordan's Henry X Johnson's Ugly dog and a Phil Lines gyp both owned by Mike Baumen.
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t-dog
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2019, 05:13:03 am » |
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I only saw the Ben dog a couple of times. I don't remember exactly who told the the Florida story it's been about 100 years since I even saw Randy. It was told to me that he was too rough and was culled as a cow dog. Again that was hear say. I know for sure that Randy used him on cattle and hogs, that out of his own mouth. The Mt. Curr influence wasn't meant as insult. Fact is though, too many people see a yellow curr dog and automatically it's a black mouth. The black mouth registry is not an age old registry. One of the people that helped Randy Wright structure the registry his dogs are in was like a grandfather to me. MANY a dog conversation on the front porch was about history and breeding. I know that you have to start somewhere when you do something like the registry. You can have written pedigrees and first hand accounts of this one and that one, but if someone wanted to slip something in, it isn't far fetched that they could have. It may have been intentional and it may have been an honest mistake. Like my dad always taught me, once you breed something in good or bad, it's there forever. People to this day still do it. There are registered pitbulls all over that are as much mastiff, or American, or whatever as they are pitbull. They are just one example. There are many others.
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charles
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2019, 12:00:36 pm » |
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Dont have to be mnts around just to have a dog with mnt in its breed name. Last i checked, this north america, yet there are a butt load of dogos here. What is your point about no mnts in fl?
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Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can!
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Goose87
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2019, 01:15:59 pm » |
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Dont have to be mnts around just to have a dog with mnt in its breed name. Last i checked, this north america, yet there are a butt load of dogos here. What is your point about no mnts in fl?
It's a Florida and Texas pride thing, being as I'm in Louisiana and in the middle I like to stir the yella dog pot, but prefer a dog with spots lol... (Disclaimer, Florida is my second home and one of my very best friends is a Texas yella dog enthusiast) |
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t-dog
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2019, 02:19:44 pm » |
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Lol, no harm goose. I thought it was funny myself. I'm personally a fan of spots, brindle, and black with brindle or tan trim so long as there's a splash of hound in there. Yella dogs are beautiful, I just as never able to get along with them. Again, put a little hound in there and it makes all the difference for my liking. I know that's off subject sorry. I remember Randy had a Bob tailed dog on his yard once when I was there. It was a nice looking young male dog. I wish I could remember what he told me the dog was out of. It's been 30 years ago nearly, I must be getting old.
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warrent423
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2019, 04:09:39 pm » |
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Dont have to be mnts around just to have a dog with mnt in its breed name. Last i checked, this north america, yet there are a butt load of dogos here. What is your point about no mnts in fl?
Although it is fairly obvious to some, you'd have to be from, where I am from,(around and below Lake Okeechobee) to fully get my "point"  |
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Catchin hogs cracker style
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Goose87
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2019, 09:04:46 pm » |
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Lol, no harm goose. I thought it was funny myself. I'm personally a fan of spots, brindle, and black with brindle or tan trim so long as there's a splash of hound in there. Yella dogs are beautiful, I just as never able to get along with them. Again, put a little hound in there and it makes all the difference for my liking. I know that's off subject sorry. I remember Randy had a Bob tailed dog on his yard once when I was there. It was a nice looking young male dog. I wish I could remember what he told me the dog was out of. It's been 30 years ago nearly, I must be getting old.
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No harm taken t-dog, I was just ribbing with the yella dog men, I know some who will get plum beside themselves and act all foolish if you insinuate that something besides a "cur" is in their curs, I just laugh at the magnitude of their ignorance because they themselves don't know the actual definition of a "cur" nor the history of working dogs and their developments....... |
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The Old Man
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2019, 09:32:03 pm » |
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There was no known Mt Cur in the Ben dog, they did however breed some Beavers Crook in them (he produced stub and bob tailed dogs). I know John Gay sold them a Beavers Crook dog and it was rumored that Randy may have bought a female or two from JE Beavers. Don't know anything one way or the other about TLS Delight.
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The Old Man
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2019, 09:39:47 pm » |
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It was suspected that the Crook dog was part Mt Cur but to my knowledge no one knew for sure. Ben Jordan bred a female to him that was on loan to him from Ricky Driver and raised a litter of nice using dogs but being bob tailed and sort of gimblin butted everybody sort of bred away from them in this country.
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