Blackmouth cur question

[l.h.cracker]

I have tried 6 registered Ben dogs out from 3 different hog hunters or cowboys from Texas to Ga and Fl. 2 I raised from pups 4 I bought as young started dogs at 8-12 months all were culls.Overpriced papered Culls.These dogs were all out of working stock with blah blah blah percentage of this and that.0 out of 6 being even usable dogs to me is a pretty low percentage.Maybe I shoulda tried one with a bob tail lol.I'm sure there are great ones out there but I reckon you gotta be the one breeding them to get em just like any other line.

[t-dog]

Yeah I don't mean to insinuate ben had Mt. Curr in him. I tried a few Ben bred dogs and  didn't have much luck. I took them all back and wound up with a dog that he had gotten directly from John Gay. He told me that he wanted to use that blood to breed more hunt back into his stuff. This dog would sure enough go. From the first time I took him he hit the ground with his feet on fire. We would catch hog after hog and he was never at a single bay. We'd be done and call and call and he'd never show, this was before I had a tracking system. I would leave a shirt and come back in a couple hours and he would be there with it and completely spent. So the last time I hunted him, we were done and sitting at the truck talking and we hear yip yip, yip yip coming towards us. There was an old abandoned barb wire fence about 20 yards from us and the top wire was only about 8 or 10 inches off the ground. We hear brush cracking and the tipping is very close. All of a sudden a doe comes out of the brush dragging her tongue. It was all she could do to get over that barb wire. I ran over to where she came out and out came the dog. I didn't even whoop him. I knew right then that he wasn't for me. He was fixing to catch tha doe. She didn't have 5 minutes left in her. If he was that serious about deer I didn't want to fool with trying to break him. He wasn't my physical type either. Shorter leg, long bodied and a thicker build. He was a good natured dog but not for me. That's where I stopped trying registered black mouths right then. I hunted with an old gyp up in Jacksonville that was really nice. Poor or mud fat, cut up or healthy she was the same hard hunting stay hooked, hog minded dog every trip and she had a good mind and disposition. I think the best yella dog I've ever hunted with. Her brothers and sisters were all nice dogs. Some on hogs some on cows. There are good ones and bad ones in every color or breed, long or short tailed.

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[jdt]

thats true t dog , the difference is some cull the junk and are honest about the rest of them . their word is good and you don't need a written money back garantee  thats only good for laying under a caged parekeets ass 


  lets start a new line on this thread .

anybody know why the black with yaller trim dogs crop up every once in awhile ?

[jdt]

oh and i figure if a dog can run that much gas out of a deer it ought to be able to hang with a bad running hog ... if you could break him off trash 


most wouldn't want one with that much bottom .

[t-dog]

I liked his bottom but the best I could tell he hit the ground with deer on the brain. He didn't have enough positives for  me to want to fool with breaking him off of the deer.

The black with yella trim is Mt. Curr influence lol

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[The Old Man]

That black with yellow trim is from the black and tan coloring in the leopard blood back in there most likely. No joke just fact haha.

[Reuben]

I have tried 6 registered Ben dogs out from 3 different hog hunters or cowboys from Texas to Ga and Fl. 2 I raised from pups 4 I bought as young started dogs at 8-12 months all were culls.Overpriced papered Culls.These dogs were all out of working stock with blah blah blah percentage of this and that.0 out of 6 being even usable dogs to me is a pretty low percentage.Maybe I shoulda tried one with a bob tail lol.I'm sure there are great ones out there but I reckon you gotta be the one breeding them to get em just like any other line.

I hunted behind a whole pack of Ben bred dogs and I was trying to keep from stumbling over them...I witnessed the same scenario in east Texas with 5 or six out of some registered bloodline from Oklahoma...lots of fresh hog footings and the dogs were running up and down right of ways...after about 20 minutes I turned out a 10 month old pup and in one hour we had 4 caught...they turned out to be decent me too dogs...but I don’t care for me too dogs unless they can shut down a runner quickly...then maybe one is all I  would need...

[Reuben]

Here is the thing...when we cast a dog and he comes back or moves on I want to feel confident there ain’t no hogs around and it is time to move on...I don’t want to have to put a dog on top of a hog for him to find one...

[warrent423]

That black with yellow trim is from the black and tan coloring in the leopard blood back in there most likely. No joke just fact haha.

Amazing how much influence that old leopard blood has had in both Texas and Florida bred dogs.  I believe that bob tail gene in our dogs, is directly related to either the leopard blood or the old bulldog blood, or a cross of the two.  Lot's of leopard color patterns in our dogs for a reason  

[Goose87]

That black with yellow trim is from the black and tan coloring in the leopard blood back in there most likely. No joke just fact haha.

Say it ain't so lol, all jokes aside I got kicked out of and banned from a BMC group because I posted a picture that Cward had shared on here or FB at one time and I took a screen shot of and if I'm not mistaken it was a spotted up dog with a young sheriff woodruff and was one of the founding dogs for the woodruff line of yella BMC and it was as spotted as a leopard, now I'm not making that statement here and wasn't in that group and was just asking out of curiosity...

Do you know any of that story?

And last this is a question I've always asked myself and have came up with a few logical answers, this question is directed at Clue alone but to any BMC historians...

Why was the yellow dogs with black mask developed for?

I know yo work stock but I'd like a an answer on those colors if some of them go back to leopard hounds and curs...

[bigo]

I posted that picture of Lewis Woodruff at 21 with two leopard dogs. Breeding for color is a fairly recent trend in cur stock dogs. In the old days, when you had to have dogs to gather your stock out of the big woods, getting the job done was important and color didn't matter. Those men were of the opinion that if they got the job done where they used them, they were the right size,  if they held up to hard use day after day, they were made right and color alone didn't help make a living. My dogs go back to Woodruff dogs that were black, black and tan. and yellow that were bred to some spotted dogs. They are heavy line bred and they all come yellow except for a blue tinted one now and then, which blue is a dilute of black. Pure dose not exist in cur stock dogs of any color and the Wright dogs go back to Woodruff dogs.
 

[bigo]

 Ruben, you are invited to come hunt with some yellow dogs, not great dogs just hog dogs. Bring the best dog you have or can borrow and come make a round. Be sure to bring a mountain cur.
    I have never seen a mountain cur I would feed. I have only seen one leopard dog I would feed. I have seen many truck loads of yellow dogs I would not feed because I have hunted with hundreds of them.

[Goose87]

I posted that picture of Lewis Woodruff at 21 with two leopard dogs. Breeding for color is a fairly recent trend in cur stock dogs. In the old days, when you had to have dogs to gather your stock out of the big woods, getting the job done was important and color didn't matter. Those men were of the opinion that if they got the job done where they used them, they were the right size,  if they held up to hard use day after day, they were made right and color alone didn't help make a living. My dogs go back to Woodruff dogs that were black, black and tan. and yellow that were bred to some spotted dogs. They are heavy line bred and they all come yellow except for a blue tinted one now and then, which blue is a dilute of black. Pure dose not exist in cur stock dogs of any color and the Wright dogs go back to Woodruff dogs.

Maybe it was you bigo, it's been several years ago if not a little longer since I saw it and that's about how I was thinking the color yella became so dominant, they were the ones that worked and bred around and they just so happened to be yella, unlike today where most of the folks who own them have them because they are a fad and less folks actually breeding using and working dogs...

[t-dog]

Bigo I'd like to see some of your dogs if you have any pics. I'm not a real big fan of "straight" cur of any kind. I like them all if there's a splash of hound in them. I say that because we live in Texas. I have been in the woods with a BUNCH of different types and when it's Texas hot and hard to find a hog, the ones that hunted just as hard and had just as much bottom and just as much fire inside them then as they did when it was cool, had hound in them. That being said I know 100% that there are good  ones that aren't of any hound decent, at least not for a loooong way back, that get it done right anytime and place. I have hunted with a few. The problem I saw was consistency or lack of. For me inconsistency is one of the greatest flaws an individual dog, a strain, or family can have. Do you notice any difference in your family of dogs in different seasons? Again, I'm not trying to bash anyone's dogs. Most people probably wouldn't feed my pot lickers.

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[The Old Man]

They don't go back to Leopard Hounds, when I say Leopard I mean what is now called Catahoulas before the bay pen and color breeding fad. As far as the yellow dogs I would say it was a case of pretty is as pretty does, whatever crosses began to produce Yellow and yellow black muzzled dogs was well thought of therefore somewhat sought after. As for myself I have never worried about what made them up I was just glad to have stumbled on some I could get along with and concentrated on the ancestors I believed to have produced the traits I liked. With this pattern of thought I haven't really researched their original origin nearly as thoroughly as Bob has he would know far more about the original origins.

[The Old Man]

P.S. ----They were bred for cattle and hogs no "log walkers" among them. There are some well known strains that are promoted as tree dogs, as well but not in the background of the strain I am familiar with. 

[Shotgun66]

My experience with yella BMC dogs has been interesting. The ones I have hunted with have either been outstanding or flat duds. The dog in these pics was the most talented dog I have witnessed to date. He was quirky as hell but had ability and talent to spare as far as finding, baying, and relaying to the next hog. He made it look easy. Did his best work alone and had a front end style and stock sense about him that was special. He trail or wind. Has a nice mouth. Would not put a tooth on a hog. Longer you hunted, the stronger he got. About the time I realized what I had, i put him up and I got a well bred gyp pup from the right line of dogs to breed him to. While I was waiting on her to grow up, I lost him to a bulldog in a kennel accident. Makes me sick to this day that I didn’t get pups off him.


 


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[t-dog]

He was a purdy son of a gun shotgun. Wish you had gotten something back out of him.

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[Shotgun66]

He was a purdy son of a gun shotgun. Wish you had gotten something back out of him.

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Thanks T Dog. He was one of the few yella dogs I’ve hunted with that performed better than he looked. Their beauty is probably their curse. I’m 43 years old. Been following dogs around since I was 5 years old. I have never bred a litter. I’ve weaned, raised, hunted and handled a bunch of em but never made s breeding decision. He had me ready to start my breeding career. I had the right female from the right line too. Life goes on. I’ve got a brother to the gyp that’s making me think about it!


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[t-dog]

Get that rascal collected before something does happen. He has a hazardous occupation lol. I wish luck with him.

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