Breeding dogs...

[Goose87]

Reuben please cite your sources other than your own speculations, I know your thinking I'm picking on you again and again I'm NOT, I'm just trying to make sense of your yearly "breeding better dogs" rants here in ETHD, because most of what you say and speculate contradicts most modern breeding practices, I could be wrong but it sure seems that every year when you make your breeding post all you do is repeat yourself, I've looked into most of what you said and even consulted with full time breeders and even some geneticist from the university of Florida about what you claim, not to be able to get on here and try and prove you wrong and debate back and forth on here but because of sincere legitimate curiosity on my on end because I'm one of the most open minded individuals you'll ever interact with, Reuben folks have been selectively breeding working dogs for hundred of years and everything you've mentioned in all your post has already been tried, if there were any merit to any of it then it would be common practice on just about every successful breeders yards in just about every discipline of dog working, I may not be grasping the concept here so please explain how we can and are going to take dog breeding to the next level by what we feed a pregnant female and she's exposed to during her pregnancy, if there were any concrete hard proof that this was the slightest bit true then we would already have superior dogs and superior humans, I do believe that the quality of the females diet can have an impact on the neurological and physical development of the fetus, and some forms of stimulation during gestation will have an impact on the unborn but nowhere on the scale of what I'm understanding your thoughts on this are, how are you going to improve a dogs genetics and DNA through diet and gestational exposures, before you throw epigenetics out there again please cite your sources on the claims you make it about epigenetics and not what you think or speculates going to happen that modern scientist and biologist haven't figured out, what exactly are these next level breeding dogs going to have that we don't already have, what is going to be improved on so much that the world is going to taken back by its discovery, if your having to go to the lengths to attempt this then I would evaluate the breeding stock because there's already dogs out there that possess all the traits needed to catch whatever game wherever in the world again I'm not here trying to prove you wrong, just trying to understand...

[Northstar]

This question is for hog hunters with over 10 years experience. How many years in the field does it take for a catch dog to be proven? the reason I ask is a man could have litters that are not worth kibble if a dog was to quit with this school of thinking. I might be in the minority but if I can help it I don't want anything with a dog that doesn't do the work in the pedigree if I can avoid it.

[Austesus]

This question is for hog hunters with over 10 years experience. How many years in the field does it take for a catch dog to be proven? the reason I ask is a man could have litters that are not worth kibble if a dog was to quit with this school of thinking. I might be in the minority but if I can help it I don't want anything with a dog that doesn't do the work in the pedigree if I can avoid it.

I don’t have anywhere near that amount of experience, only about 2 years. But the man that mentored me in this sport is mid 50’s and has been working dogs and training them for a living his whole life. What he told me is that a catch dog is not truly proven until it’s been cut down and almost died. After that, you know what you have. I’m probably one of the youngest guys on here, but what he said makes sense to me and what I’ve seen validates it.


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[justincorbell]

This question is for hog hunters with over 10 years experience. How many years in the field does it take for a catch dog to be proven? the reason I ask is a man could have litters that are not worth kibble if a dog was to quit with this school of thinking. I might be in the minority but if I can help it I don't want anything with a dog that doesn't do the work in the pedigree if I can avoid it.

a catch dog is proven only after he has done his job on 100's of hogs and I say 100's because 90% of people only catch maybe 5 out of 100 truly rank hogs. A catch dog that only see's 1 or 2 big nasty hogs a season could go for years before he meets the hog that truly tests his dedication to his job. those other 95 out of 100 hogs can be caught with rough curr dogs, I do it all the time with mine. Ive got a young bulldog now that Im on the fence about, she catches 150lb and down hogs no problem all the time but has had her ass handed to her on a couple bigger boars that I would have lost had I only been relying on her to catch but luckily my curr will hang one when she hits.

[t-dog]

Austesus, no disrespect to you or your mentor, but I'm glad I'm not a catch dog for y'all. I've been doing this for almost 30 years on my own. I have lead and hunted with more bulldogs than a man can count. I've hunted with about every breed used for catching and in every type of terrain there is in the states. It don't take years and it don't take near death to prove a catch dog. That's like saying you aren't a man until you've been shot a few times. I have a gyp right now that is super green. Her type physically is spot on. She will get ahold of a hog. Is she a catch dog? No, not in my opinion. She's still learning how to get to a bay. When an intelligent dog sees a few good hogs, he learns something everytime. Little pigs and shoats don't do a whole lot of educating. An intelligent dog doesn't have to get cut down to learn. I've got more witnesses than you and your mentor together have fingers and toes, I've got the pics to show for it also, but my Vegas dog was a  CATCH DOG in every way. He died of cancer at almost 8 years old. It was about 14 days after I caught my last boar hog solo with him in the woods. I doubt he missed 20 hunts in all that time due to being cut. I caught hogs that literally, I couldn't almost reach around their legs with my hand. His worst injury was one that I caused because I dropped him in on a boar that was facing the opposite direction of what I thought he was. Granted if you hunt 1 or 2 times a month and all you catch are a couple at a time and go home, then it's going to take a while for a dog to become a seasoned dog. Vegas wasn't an exception, he was the norm of the family. There are also other circumstances. My nephew was getting pretty frustrated with his bulldog. He's young but straight ahead. It got to be that he was caught on the jaw a whole bunch or the hog would break just as he was getting there. He was ready to cull him. I told him to stop and think it through. Next time you go, only take a couple of dogs and leave those alligators at home. Guess what, eared up and no breaking hogs since. It's not always something that the catch dog can do anything about. The ones that run in and pray that they are able to get a hold of something, can't eat my feed. The ones that know where they are gonna catch as soon as they see the hog and then make it happen are the ones I want. The ones that learn to get out of the way after they are caught and know how to get leverage don't have to get cut to ribbons to prove out. Those are the ones I want to feed. There are a whole bunch of characteristics that go with the term "catch dog" just as there are with "hog dog". Being stupid definitely isn't one of them. Again, there are always special circumstances and options just aren't available. The dog has one way he can get in and catch the hog and one way only, he might have to take some punishment to get it done. He certainly doesn't have to be put in that situation to prove out to me though.

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[Goose87]

If he's catching over 95% of the hogs he's sent to and can catch and handle big hogs by himself then he's a catch dog, all seeing one cut down and still do his job is just seeing the extent of his gameness it doesn't mean he's anymore or less a catch dog for it, the ones id call truly great dogs really didn't get cut very much, they had the sense to skillfully position themselves and pick their shot and STUCK on impact....

[Slim9797]

Awwhhhh it’s getting good now


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[Judge peel]

Lol the stuff you hear is laughable ether it catches or it don’t ether it gets cut or it don’t as much ether it will die trying or it won’t. No feed no training no getting whooped and coming back will change any of this. It ether is or it isn’t


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[Austesus]

Austesus, no disrespect to you or your mentor, but I'm glad I'm not a catch dog for y'all. I've been doing this for almost 30 years on my own. I have lead and hunted with more bulldogs than a man can count. I've hunted with about every breed used for catching and in every type of terrain there is in the states. It don't take years and it don't take near death to prove a catch dog. That's like saying you aren't a man until you've been shot a few times. I have a gyp right now that is super green. Her type physically is spot on. She will get ahold of a hog. Is she a catch dog? No, not in my opinion. She's still learning how to get to a bay. When an intelligent dog sees a few good hogs, he learns something everytime. Little pigs and shoats don't do a whole lot of educating. An intelligent dog doesn't have to get cut down to learn. I've got more witnesses than you and your mentor together have fingers and toes, I've got the pics to show for it also, but my Vegas dog was a  CATCH DOG in every way. He died of cancer at almost 8 years old. It was about 14 days after I caught my last boar hog solo with him in the woods. I doubt he missed 20 hunts in all that time due to being cut. I caught hogs that literally, I couldn't almost reach around their legs with my hand. His worst injury was one that I caused because I dropped him in on a boar that was facing the opposite direction of what I thought he was. Granted if you hunt 1 or 2 times a month and all you catch are a couple at a time and go home, then it's going to take a while for a dog to become a seasoned dog. Vegas wasn't an exception, he was the norm of the family. There are also other circumstances. My nephew was getting pretty frustrated with his bulldog. He's young but straight ahead. It got to be that he was caught on the jaw a whole bunch or the hog would break just as he was getting there. He was ready to cull him. I told him to stop and think it through. Next time you go, only take a couple of dogs and leave those alligators at home. Guess what, eared up and no breaking hogs since. It's not always something that the catch dog can do anything about. The ones that run in and pray that they are able to get a hold of something, can't eat my feed. The ones that know where they are gonna catch as soon as they see the hog and then make it happen are the ones I want. The ones that learn to get out of the way after they are caught and know how to get leverage don't have to get cut to ribbons to prove out. Those are the ones I want to feed. There are a whole bunch of characteristics that go with the term "catch dog" just as there are with "hog dog". Being stupid definitely isn't one of them. Again, there are always special circumstances and options just aren't available. The dog has one way he can get in and catch the hog and one way only, he might have to take some punishment to get it done. He certainly doesn't have to be put in that situation to prove out to me though.

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T-dog, I think you may have somewhat misinterpreted what I meant. Neither me nor my mentor have intentionally tried to set a dog up for failure to prove it. In fact my catch dog has never been cut down. He’s had one small nick that I can think of, and that’s it. Same with about all of my dogs. Of course I’m also not catching trophy boars every single time I hunt either. My point was just that I’ve seen some dogs that would catch every hog they saw, perfect, until that one time they got cut down bad, and then they just didn’t have the hardness afterwards. I guess that could be considering proving gameness more than proving that a dog is a catch dog, but nonetheless some dogs will change after being cut. I’m sure you’ve seen this over the years. So yes, my catch dog does his job, he catches pigs. He has yet to fail me, to some he may be considered a finished catch dog. In my personal opinion, he’s not completely proven until he has had the bad luck of being cut down. Now to me this does not mean he does not do his job, it simply means that I don’t yet consider him 110% reliable. I do not know what he will do after being cut down. He may stay hung, or he may back off. Until he is put in that situation I will never know.

That is not saying anything towards an intelligent dog. An intelligent dog will not get cut nearly as often, of course. But occasionally even an extremely intelligent dog can get caught in a bad situation. We run one dog that is dumb as rocks. He hits pigs like a bulldozer. He gets cut a lot. But, I would consider him proven because he has been on 100’s of pigs, been cut down multiple times, and is still reliable and will catch any pig he sees. He’s not the best by any means, but he’s proven. This is of course all opinion, everyone has their thoughts on the topic. We also run RCD, not walk ins. So I’m sure that changes things as well. All of our catch dogs will catch a pig by themselves, but they have backup 9/10 times. Which also reduces the chances of them getting cut in my opinion. Normally the pig is completely controlled by the dogs. Huge boars can be an exception, but most pigs will not fight much with a head full of dogs. Everyone has their style, that’s just what works for us.

Keep the comments coming, this thread is getting good!


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[Reuben]

Reuben please cite your sources other than your own speculations, I know your thinking I'm picking on you again and again I'm NOT, I'm just trying to make sense of your yearly "breeding better dogs" rants here in ETHD, because most of what you say and speculate contradicts most modern breeding practices, I could be wrong but it sure seems that every year when you make your breeding post all you do is repeat yourself, I've looked into most of what you said and even consulted with full time breeders and even some geneticist from the university of Florida about what you claim, not to be able to get on here and try and prove you wrong and debate back and forth on here but because of sincere legitimate curiosity on my on end because I'm one of the most open minded individuals you'll ever interact with, Reuben folks have been selectively breeding working dogs for hundred of years and everything you've mentioned in all your post has already been tried, if there were any merit to any of it then it would be common practice on just about every successful breeders yards in just about every discipline of dog working, I may not be grasping the concept here so please explain how we can and are going to take dog breeding to the next level by what we feed a pregnant female and she's exposed to during her pregnancy, if there were any concrete hard proof that this was the slightest bit true then we would already have superior dogs and superior humans, I do believe that the quality of the females diet can have an impact on the neurological and physical development of the fetus, and some forms of stimulation during gestation will have an impact on the unborn but nowhere on the scale of what I'm understanding your thoughts on this are, how are you going to improve a dogs genetics and DNA through diet and gestational exposures, before you throw epigenetics out there again please cite your sources on the claims you make it about epigenetics and not what you think or speculates going to happen that modern scientist and biologist haven't figured out, what exactly are these next level breeding dogs going to have that we don't already have, what is going to be improved on so much that the world is going to taken back by its discovery, if your having to go to the lengths to attempt this then I would evaluate the breeding stock because there's already dogs out there that possess all the traits needed to catch whatever game wherever in the world again I'm not here trying to prove you wrong, just trying to understand...

the info is out there...I won't dig it up but I am sure you will see more of it in your future...

Genetics...I don't think much has changed since Gregor Mendel...and just like any other trade there will be good ones bad ones and the average...I do know you are not much into theory as much as you are in actual facts...as per your own admissions...I tend to want to learn the facts but am more interested in experimenting and pushing and seacrching for new ways...I have been involved in major upgrades and building plants as well as starting them up and have worked with the best and brightest engineers...one thing I have learned over the years is that they tend to be book smart but not as many can figure out major problems...the kind that aren't in the books...that is when theory comes into play...sometimes it is process of elimination to get to the root cause...I am talking about engineers that are employed by a company that has over 10,000 employees world wide with countless contractors...

something else about what has been learned years ago like genetics and anything else...there is something that happens on a regular basis...it is called re-inventing the wheel...happens all the time...

I will not change my stance on epigenetics...the changes may seem minute but in reality there are folks who like riding the border line of perfection...if not on it they are constantly working towards it...

no, I am not ranting...yes I do bring certain things up because I only want to share what I believe is important in breeding, selection and training pups and dogs...true I have been writing about the same things ever since I joined this forum...

I have made many good points that I haven't seen made before other than myself....yet it appears that you are only looking for negative things to point out about what I write...

I been hunting with dogs for over 50 years and here lately not as much as I want...I do want to share my learning's with the new dog men and dog women...even if it helps a little here and there...

you probably don't need to read my writings on account you are very experienced and knowledgeable...

[Northstar]

Reuben anyone that has been in dogs for any amount of time has come across your type! You are looking for fame and legacy! The good news for you is there is enough new people to buy the regurgitation as your own ideas. Then there is people like myself new to hog dogs but not working dogs by any means. I am not buying your excuse of breeding untested dogs only because you want to try to get "your line" started as fast as possible. You are hurting hunting dogs by throwing a culls and cold dogs in your breeding program. The person talking about the bs breeding was probably breeding dogs for appearance not working.



 I call em how I see em!

[t-dog]

I did take it as your catch dogs are only proven out by getting cut down to near death. I'm glad that I misinterpreted it. I have been fortunate in the sense of how I grew up. I grew up around performance horses, both rodeo and some race horses. I also grew up with game chickens and dogs. My father has always been one that was an overachiever so to speak. Extremely self disciplined which was hard at times to grow up with, but a very beneficial tool in my life now. Him being that way, he pushed himself and anyone in his circle to be their best. He surrounded himself with the best. He said your only as good as the people you surround yourself with and that your name doesn't matter, if your good enough everyone wants you on their team.  Because of this I had an inside seat to learn from very successful people in these fields. I learned to see things in animals early on that a lot of grown people never picked up on. Sometimes it might be a change in mannerisms or it could be the way they traveled, or maybe just that look in their eye. My point in this rant is this, if you know your animal on his average day from head to toe, inside and out, you can pick up on certain things before they happen. I have learned to trust my gut in these situations. Not everytime, but a VERY high percentage of times, I can tell you when a dog I'm hunting is gonna leave me high and dry before it happens. I don't care how game an animal is, you can make any of them quit just like you can make any dog bite. Again, style for me plays a role. There is a difference in the style of a dog that tries catching smart and a dog that is catching scared. It's also another reason that I like dogs out of working lines. Yes some JYD's make awesome catch dogs. But you don't know anything about what to expect or what's behind them. In a family of well bred dogs for your purpose, you know what to expect physically, mentally, statistically, etc. It's not a guarantee but it's a head start and a tremendous indicator. For example, my buddy bought a "finished catch dog". The first hog he caught with him folded one of his big K9's back between his lip and gum. He started baying and wouldn't catch again. Not a very big hog either. I had a gyp out of my family out for her 2nd or 3rd hunt. It was one find dog, one catch dog and myself self. The find dog was a loose baying not gonna put much teeth if any on a hog type. When I got to her bay, she had a baby elephant. I sent the catch dog. That hog give her a serious butt whooping. Not once did she shy away but seemed to get madder. She would ear up and he would knock her off on a tree. That one ear, what was left of it, was in ribbons. She switched to the other ear and the hog had fought out onto a trail where I was able to get up close and get his attention and gave her the chance to get leverage. I got ahold and threw and tied him. Wound up being a barr hog that I had to call 3 others to come out and help me load in the trailer. It was all the 4 of us could do to pick him up 18'' to put him in the dog trailer. While I was praising the dogs, I noticed the catch dogs mouth bleeding quite a bit. That hog completely knocked 2 K9's out and broke both of the other 2 off at the gum line. She had no thought of quitting. I didn't expect her to either. Her ancestors had shown over time that they had the grit. If it sounds like I'm trying to say I have the greatest I apologize.  My dogs suit me, they may not be squat to anyone else. This was just the best and first example I could think of. This thread is about breeding dogs. IN MY OPINION, the first most important ingredient are goals and knowing what you want and expect. The second most important is starting off with something that is at least somewhat in the neighborhood of those goals and expectations. If you chose to start a family of catch dogs with a bad a$$ Yorkie, then you are gonna be in for a long hard road. Obviously there a ton of theories and methods to get good dogs. Or person has success with one method and another person another way. They are convinced because of their progress and success that their way is right way. IN MY OPINION, the best are the ones that stand the test of time.

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[Reuben]

Reuben anyone that has been in dogs for any amount of time has come across your type! You are looking for fame and legacy! The good news for you is there is enough new people to buy the regurgitation as your own ideas. Then there is people like myself new to hog dogs but not working dogs by any means. I am not buying your excuse of breeding untested dogs only because you want to try to get "your line" started as fast as possible. You are hurting hunting dogs by throwing a culls and cold dogs in your breeding program. The person talking about the bs breeding was probably breeding dogs for appearance not working.



 I call em how I see em!

What we need is more folks to write about how to breed better dogs and how to train pups and dogs...and maybe then we won’t have to deal with as many culls year after year...

[Slim9797]

75% of a good dog is the man behind him. Genetics have to line up sure but I know lots of “big time hog hunters” couldn’t have made a half assed help dog out of the best bred dog out there, and that wouldn’t know what to do with a high caliber dog if it was handed to them. If you are more critical of your dogs than you are of yourself, you ought to think about that.  Breeding better is easy, raising and making better is the hard part. .02¢ from a kid that don’t got a penny


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[justincorbell]

Reuben anyone that has been in dogs for any amount of time has come across your type! You are looking for fame and legacy! The good news for you is there is enough new people to buy the regurgitation as your own ideas. Then there is people like myself new to hog dogs but not working dogs by any means. I am not buying your excuse of breeding untested dogs only because you want to try to get "your line" started as fast as possible. You are hurting hunting dogs by throwing a culls and cold dogs in your breeding program. The person talking about the bs breeding was probably breeding dogs for appearance not working.



 I call em how I see em!

Where you are mistaken is that Reuben has been on this board for over a decade and has never once tried to push his dogs on anyone or advertise anything he has like it is the next best thing. Yeah, maybe his thought process is different than some but if he is doing it for himself and no one else then why the hell does it matter? No doubt there are a few on here or at least that were on here in the past who were looking for "fame and legacy" but Reuben is not and never has been one of them. He has very openly spoken about both his successes and failures and has always been humble when doing so.



I also call em how I see em!

[WayOutWest]

Well put Justin

[Goose87]

Reuben please cite your sources other than your own speculations, I know your thinking I'm picking on you again and again I'm NOT, I'm just trying to make sense of your yearly "breeding better dogs" rants here in ETHD, because most of what you say and speculate contradicts most modern breeding practices, I could be wrong but it sure seems that every year when you make your breeding post all you do is repeat yourself, I've looked into most of what you said and even consulted with full time breeders and even some geneticist from the university of Florida about what you claim, not to be able to get on here and try and prove you wrong and debate back and forth on here but because of sincere legitimate curiosity on my on end because I'm one of the most open minded individuals you'll ever interact with, Reuben folks have been selectively breeding working dogs for hundred of years and everything you've mentioned in all your post has already been tried, if there were any merit to any of it then it would be common practice on just about every successful breeders yards in just about every discipline of dog working, I may not be grasping the concept here so please explain how we can and are going to take dog breeding to the next level by what we feed a pregnant female and she's exposed to during her pregnancy, if there were any concrete hard proof that this was the slightest bit true then we would already have superior dogs and superior humans, I do believe that the quality of the females diet can have an impact on the neurological and physical development of the fetus, and some forms of stimulation during gestation will have an impact on the unborn but nowhere on the scale of what I'm understanding your thoughts on this are, how are you going to improve a dogs genetics and DNA through diet and gestational exposures, before you throw epigenetics out there again please cite your sources on the claims you make it about epigenetics and not what you think or speculates going to happen that modern scientist and biologist haven't figured out, what exactly are these next level breeding dogs going to have that we don't already have, what is going to be improved on so much that the world is going to taken back by its discovery, if your having to go to the lengths to attempt this then I would evaluate the breeding stock because there's already dogs out there that possess all the traits needed to catch whatever game wherever in the world again I'm not here trying to prove you wrong, just trying to understand...

the info is out there...I won't dig it up but I am sure you will see more of it in your future...

Genetics...I don't think much has changed since Gregor Mendel...and just like any other trade there will be good ones bad ones and the average...I do know you are not much into theory as much as you are in actual facts...as per your own admissions...I tend to want to learn the facts but am more interested in experimenting and pushing and seacrching for new ways...I have been involved in major upgrades and building plants as well as starting them up and have worked with the best and brightest engineers...one thing I have learned over the years is that they tend to be book smart but not as many can figure out major problems...the kind that aren't in the books...that is when theory comes into play...sometimes it is process of elimination to get to the root cause...I am talking about engineers that are employed by a company that has over 10,000 employees world wide with countless contractors...

something else about what has been learned years ago like genetics and anything else...there is something that happens on a regular basis...it is called re-inventing the wheel...happens all the time...

I will not change my stance on epigenetics...the changes may seem minute but in reality there are folks who like riding the border line of perfection...if not on it they are constantly working towards it...

no, I am not ranting...yes I do bring certain things up because I only want to share what I believe is important in breeding, selection and training pups and dogs...true I have been writing about the same things ever since I joined this forum...

I have made many good points that I haven't seen made before other than myself....yet it appears that you are only looking for negative things to point out about what I write...

I been hunting with dogs for over 50 years and here lately not as much as I want...I do want to share my learning's with the new dog men and dog women...even if it helps a little here and there...

you probably don't need to read my writings on account you are very experienced and knowledgeable...

I agree with most everything in this post except me picking out the negatives, again this is where your speculation comes into play and I guess you have good reason but anyone who knows me on a personal level knows I stay away from negativity of any kind from anyone, I absolutely will not dwell in nor conjure any sort of negativity, I have not always been this way and was once a negative bitter mad at the world type of guy for things that happened in my life that was beyond my control, after losing nearly everything and everyone in my life that mattered to me because of that attitude it opened my eyes to everything and I've done a complete 180 with my life and the folks I allow in it and the actions I take toward life every single second of every single day, Reuben I ask you the things I do not because I'm trying to point out the negatives and try to prove you wrong, I admire our conversations because we're about the only two on this entire board that will lay it all out there and not worry what people think, and openly discuss things that others often wonder about themselves but are to afraid of ridicule to converse about it, contrary to what you may think we're so much alike it's not even funny, we just have strong differing views on some topics, I'm a limit pusher that loves trying new things and experimenting with different ideas myself, I'm not asking you to cite your sources to call you out, heck I want to go read these articles and studies myself, I wasn't being negative when I said what I did about your yearly breeding post, all I simply want to know us what is this new dimension of breeding going to bring to the table, I'm all ears, I believe if a man wants to take his breeding to the next level then he needs to learn about sex linked traits and what genes our inherited from what parents...

[Northstar]

Reuben anyone that has been in dogs for any amount of time has come across your type! You are looking for fame and legacy! The good news for you is there is enough new people to buy the regurgitation as your own ideas. Then there is people like myself new to hog dogs but not working dogs by any means. I am not buying your excuse of breeding untested dogs only because you want to try to get "your line" started as fast as possible. You are hurting hunting dogs by throwing a culls and cold dogs in your breeding program. The person talking about the bs breeding was probably breeding dogs for appearance not working.


 I call em how I see em!

Where you are mistaken is that Reuben has been on this board for over a decade and has never once tried to push his dogs on anyone or advertise anything he has like it is the next best thing. Yeah, maybe his thought process is different than some but if he is doing it for himself and no one else then why the hell does it matter? No doubt there are a few on here or at least that were on here in the past who were looking for "fame and legacy" but Reuben is not and never has been one of them. He has very openly spoken about both his successes and failures and has always been humble when doing so.



I also call em how I see em!

I am making a observation. I use frequently visit boards this one included. The people trying to reinvent the wheel or peddle pups use really grind my gears. I am past that point as I gain years.

I will point out that I interpreted right or wrong that because it was in a article it had to be valid. That is a complete crock of crap. I have read many things in many articles some stood correct some did not. If you have to do a extreme breed practice like the one listed maybe you need a new foundation. Why work so hard to attempt to make a pedigree full of your name with generations of unproven dogs. 

I agree if the dogs stay on his yard or friends then do as you please it is when you start to sell or gift as something it is not or some groupie gets a dog from a guy and it is a great dog but has bunch of guess and unknowns for 3 generations and then the groupie is out campaigning the dog but little does anyone know that the stud and bitch that created that dog both can’t bust a grape in food fight. So know you have people wasting time feeding bullnumber 2 based on groupies dog.

I don’t really give 2 craps about it. I am just letting him know that he isn’t fooling anyone here with the idea and most have been raised around working dogs would not agree no matter how many articles you feed them. Well maybe 1 person does. I don’t think he ever listed the articles actually. I don’t have a issue with the man personally just me telling him how I feel.

Sorry if this looks silly driving and typing

I am glad I’m influenced with my tag line!

[joshg223]

Goose I sent you a pm


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[Slim9797]

Reuben anyone that has been in dogs for any amount of time has come across your type! You are looking for fame and legacy! The good news for you is there is enough new people to buy the regurgitation as your own ideas. Then there is people like myself new to hog dogs but not working dogs by any means. I am not buying your excuse of breeding untested dogs only because you want to try to get "your line" started as fast as possible. You are hurting hunting dogs by throwing a culls and cold dogs in your breeding program. The person talking about the bs breeding was probably breeding dogs for appearance not working.



 I call em how I see em!

Where you are mistaken is that Reuben has been on this board for over a decade and has never once tried to push his dogs on anyone or advertise anything he has like it is the next best thing. Yeah, maybe his thought process is different than some but if he is doing it for himself and no one else then why the hell does it matter? No doubt there are a few on here or at least that were on here in the past who were looking for "fame and legacy" but Reuben is not and never has been one of them. He has very openly spoken about both his successes and failures and has always been humble when doing so.



I also call em how I see em!

  Had the pleasure of meeting Reuben down south about a month ago. I was at a baying by myself down in Nixon, standing around just kind of people watching and here comes an older gentlemen says he recognizes me from the board, says “your slim right” I said yessir. He went on to compliment me and my dogs and we had a few different little conversations. Heck the man went and got breakfast and brought me back a taco and a coke. Heck of a guy, comes off about as humble as anyone I’ve ever met.  Might want to meet a man before you start claiming you know what he’s about.


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