Instinctive

[TShelly]

Goose I agree with that. My clyde dog drifted extremely well also. He was average speed in a foot race but could push a track at an all out run that most other dogs had to slow down to run or others would have to keep making losses on because they over ran their nose. He would be bayed so real hundred yards before most dogs. He didn't have to straddle the track to take it. I really think dogs that are real instinctive about hunting into the wind have a strong tendency to drift well. They understand how to use that to their advantage. That's not something you can teach in my opinion.

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I have a gyp that the one reason she is still making is her ability like you described with Clyde. She is an ok dog. Hunts steady around you but not real far, busy dog. She has crap bottom, but she will get bayed several hundred yards in front of the dogs every time. A very frustrating little number 2! All the ability in the world, but doesn’t hate a hog. She is out of chance wards old Ike dog. Ike was one that was known real well for cheating a track, cutting corners and still getting bayed way ahead of others.


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[Reuben]

I have seen dogs that have trouble finding a hog and others that make it look easy...

Years ago I was surprised to see a big boar come busting through the brush and we could hear him coming...he crossed right by us...the wind was blowing crosswind to the hog from his left...the dogs were not running the track...they were running with their heads up using the wind currents to track the hog from the hogs right side and out about 30 ft or so...the wind had a decent speed so there was no doubt what the dogs were doing.....I have seen similar scenarios since then...

[t-dog]

We bayed a group once and caught one out of it. I was sitting out in the open pasture and watched a boar cross it and saw where he entered the next set of woods. When clyde rolled over, that was the hog he left on. He was an easy 25 to 30 yards to the down wind side of where the boar crossed. He was running it as hard as he could go. Another 150 yards into the next set of woods he put up bayed again on that boar. I think a hog lays a wider track than we realize sometimes, depending on the conditions of course. Scent is gonna carry in breezy or light wind. It's gonna scatter in high wind. It also is easier to scent when the moisture is right. Too much or too little and it has no way of clinging to anything or gets washed out. Obviously it isn't going to spread out as much in the brush and even less when its green and vegetation is thicker. Lol I've seen dogs like that gyp your talking about Tony. They sure can aggravate you.

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[Slim9797]

I have seen dogs that have trouble finding a hog and others that make it look easy...

Years ago I was surprised to see a big boar come busting through the brush and we could hear him coming...he crossed right by us...the wind was blowing crosswind to the hog from his left...the dogs were not running the track...they were running with their heads up using the wind currents to track the hog from the hogs right side and out about 30 ft or so...the wind had a decent speed so there was no doubt what the dogs were doing.....I have seen similar scenarios since then...

And somehow these dogs are going to beat the head up trackstars to the hog by hundreds of yards? I’m trying to wrap my head around this concept but with how y’all are explaining it, I’m not buying it. I will put my “track straddler dogs” against the dogs that try to run 10 yards beside the tracks every day all day and 2x on Sunday


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[Reuben]

I am only sharing what I have seen...I mentioned it because it was something I hadn’t seen before at that time...I am one of those doggers that wants to know why and how a dog works...before the internet many hunters took years to figure these different scenarios we talk about on this forum on a regular basis...I try to explain things in a way so the new guys can read about these past experiences and hopefully add a new way of looking at how the dogs hunt and work...many don’t need it but there are some that do...

[Goose87]

I have seen dogs that have trouble finding a hog and others that make it look easy...

Years ago I was surprised to see a big boar come busting through the brush and we could hear him coming...he crossed right by us...the wind was blowing crosswind to the hog from his left...the dogs were not running the track...they were running with their heads up using the wind currents to track the hog from the hogs right side and out about 30 ft or so...the wind had a decent speed so there was no doubt what the dogs were doing.....I have seen similar scenarios since then...

And somehow these dogs are going to beat the head up trackstars to the hog by hundreds of yards? I’m trying to wrap my head around this concept but with how y’all are explaining it, I’m not buying it. I will put my “track straddler dogs” against the dogs that try to run 10 yards beside the tracks every day all day and 2x on Sunday


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Slim you'll only learn in this life as much as your willing to and you seem to have it all figured out, that's good for you, I don't have to explain myself or my style of dogs to you, I've invited you over before so you can come see the Bologna for yourself, since you want to call BS on something you can't grasp and understand and by you not understanding or seeing it for yourself how can you tell another man he's full of it, you yourself have self admitted said you haven't been hunting to terribly long and I have to ask, have you traveled outside of a 4-5 hour radius of your home territory and put your dogs on the ground against other from that area or yours by themselves, how many different sets of hunters and dogs have you hunted with and against, not just in your area, in other states and parts of the state, different terrain and areas, you speak as if you've seen and done it all with your dogs, I could be wrong, but since you always want to turn everything into a pissing match 62524 Bill Ard Rd Angie La 70426, 985-570-7030 is my number whenever you get ready the door will be open, make sure to,bring the bread for all this Bologna I got going on over here.....

[Goose87]

We bayed a group once and caught one out of it. I was sitting out in the open pasture and watched a boar cross it and saw where he entered the next set of woods. When clyde rolled over, that was the hog he left on. He was an easy 25 to 30 yards to the down wind side of where the boar crossed. He was running it as hard as he could go. Another 150 yards into the next set of woods he put up bayed again on that boar. I think a hog lays a wider track than we realize sometimes, depending on the conditions of course. Scent is gonna carry in breezy or light wind. It's gonna scatter in high wind. It also is easier to scent when the moisture is right. Too much or too little and it has no way of clinging to anything or gets washed out. Obviously it isn't going to spread out as much in the brush and even less when its green and vegetation is thicker. Lol I've seen dogs like that gyp your talking about Tony. They sure can aggravate you.

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Tdog most of the hog hunters who think they have it figured out don't know squat other than the sound of a bay and what a hog track looks like, they couldn't tell you a thing about scenting conditions and environmental conditions and how to hunt them accordingly or track style in a dog, most only know a dog has a nose and can smell a hog track and that's about all they can tell you, the rest is just a guess and shot in the dark as to why something happened the way it did instead of breaking down the reasons why and understanding how certain things work, that's to complicated, it's easier to tell somebody they're full of it and don't know what they're talking about, that's about on the same lines as me telling a mechanic how to rebuild and engine because I changed the oil and put air in the tire once....


I see why there's very few folks that are actively commenting regularly on here, I know several VERY knowledgable men who no longer participate in conversations on here anymore and now I see why.....

[l.h.cracker]

I believe that an exceptional wind dog is the best at track drifting.I own the best wind dog I've been around to date Hambone regularly winds hogs up to a half mile.When he barks and I cut him he makes  a straight line to the hogs he also uses this ability in running the track after jumped.Last night he winded some hogs at 675 we caught 6 out of the group and he lined the boar out the terrain was marsh with oak hammocks and a lot of switchgrass ponds it looks like the moon on google earth from all the ponds the hogs use these switchgrass ponds to loose the dogs they are extremely thick and nothing but hog tunnels the hogs will enter make a few laps and exit to the next a lot of dogs dive headlong in and get hung up on trying to find the exit by the time they do the hog generally has a big lead and by the third of fourth time its as good as gone well Hambone and my cypress dog will run around the edge and wind the exit and actually make up ground where most make a loss.They have figured out how to counter this play from experience and intelligence.I watched Hambone do this over and over on the garmin last night for a couple miles until he realed him in and got bayed.A straight trail dog struggles in this situation without winding first off you'd never strike the hogs and running step for step they get hung up in the hog mazes in the switchgrass ponds

[l.h.cracker]

By the way I didn't mean for this post to sound as if I have the best dogs I was just giving my opinion and experience on track drifting and what I see my dogs do.

[Slim9797]

I have seen dogs that have trouble finding a hog and others that make it look easy...

Years ago I was surprised to see a big boar come busting through the brush and we could hear him coming...he crossed right by us...the wind was blowing crosswind to the hog from his left...the dogs were not running the track...they were running with their heads up using the wind currents to track the hog from the hogs right side and out about 30 ft or so...the wind had a decent speed so there was no doubt what the dogs were doing.....I have seen similar scenarios since then...

And somehow these dogs are going to beat the head up trackstars to the hog by hundreds of yards? I’m trying to wrap my head around this concept but with how y’all are explaining it, I’m not buying it. I will put my “track straddler dogs” against the dogs that try to run 10 yards beside the tracks every day all day and 2x on Sunday


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Slim you'll only learn in this life as much as your willing to and you seem to have it all figured out, that's good for you, I don't have to explain myself or my style of dogs to you, I've invited you over before so you can come see the Bologna for yourself, since you want to call BS on something you can't grasp and understand and by you not understanding or seeing it for yourself how can you tell another man he's full of it, you yourself have self admitted said you haven't been hunting to terribly long and I have to ask, have you traveled outside of a 4-5 hour radius of your home territory and put your dogs on the ground against other from that area or yours by themselves, how many different sets of hunters and dogs have you hunted with and against, not just in your area, in other states and parts of the state, different terrain and areas, you speak as if you've seen and done it all with your dogs, I could be wrong, but since you always want to turn everything into a pissing match 62524 Bill Ard Rd Angie La 70426, 985-570-7030 is my number whenever you get ready the door will be open, make sure to,bring the bread for all this Bologna I got going on over here.....

It’s not a pissing match guy. I do not care what you or somebody else feeds. Nor did I say you or your dogs were anything one way or the other. The big bad hog hunter mentality is shining through. You obviously haven’t been too far into Texas either because 4 or 5 hours can change scenery about 4-5 time. I’m currently 4 hours south of home with some dogs raised in the blackland Priaire post oaks of south central Texas hunting the caliche brush country and salt grass flats of the coastal bend and sections upon sections of grain fields but no my dogs don’t see much window time traveling


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[Goose87]

I have seen dogs that have trouble finding a hog and others that make it look easy...

Years ago I was surprised to see a big boar come busting through the brush and we could hear him coming...he crossed right by us...the wind was blowing crosswind to the hog from his left...the dogs were not running the track...they were running with their heads up using the wind currents to track the hog from the hogs right side and out about 30 ft or so...the wind had a decent speed so there was no doubt what the dogs were doing.....I have seen similar scenarios since then...

And somehow these dogs are going to beat the head up trackstars to the hog by hundreds of yards? I’m trying to wrap my head around this concept but with how y’all are explaining it, I’m not buying it. I will put my “track straddler dogs” against the dogs that try to run 10 yards beside the tracks every day all day and 2x on Sunday


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Slim you'll only learn in this life as much as your willing to and you seem to have it all figured out, that's good for you, I don't have to explain myself or my style of dogs to you, I've invited you over before so you can come see the Bologna for yourself, since you want to call BS on something you can't grasp and understand and by you not understanding or seeing it for yourself how can you tell another man he's full of it, you yourself have self admitted said you haven't been hunting to terribly long and I have to ask, have you traveled outside of a 4-5 hour radius of your home territory and put your dogs on the ground against other from that area or yours by themselves, how many different sets of hunters and dogs have you hunted with and against, not just in your area, in other states and parts of the state, different terrain and areas, you speak as if you've seen and done it all with your dogs, I could be wrong, but since you always want to turn everything into a pissing match 62524 Bill Ard Rd Angie La 70426, 985-570-7030 is my number whenever you get ready the door will be open, make sure to,bring the bread for all this Bologna I got going on over here.....

It’s not a pissing match guy. I do not care what you or somebody else feeds. Nor did I say you or your dogs were anything one way or the other. The big bad hog hunter mentality is shining through. You obviously haven’t been too far into Texas either because 4 or 5 hours can change scenery about 4-5 time. I’m currently 4 hours south of home with some dogs raised in the blackland Priaire post oaks of south central Texas hunting the caliche brush country and salt grass flats of the coastal bend and sections upon sections of grain fields but no my dogs don’t see much window time traveling


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Like I said before, to understand a track drifter you have to hunt with them, to understand different styles of dogs you have to hunt with them, it can be explained all day long but until you see it for yourself it's nothing more than speculation, kinda like making love to a woman, it can be explained to you in great detail but until you've done it yourself you really don't know, most hog hunters don't pay attention to a dogs track style or let alone know what track style means, very few folks break down and apply themselves enough to understand why things happen the way they do,especially as far as scenting and environmental conditions go and the role they play in your success, it's not complicated to understand once you know what your looking for and at, a good dog knows when to put his head in the air and drift a track, puts its nose to the ground and grub one out, and work the vegetation or whatever to pull scent off of it, for every action there is a reaction and a reason behind everything, it's up to us to try and understand things when they happen, another big factor is in order to truly understand dogs, especially hunting dogs then a man needs to hunt with different dogs for different game to get an idea as to why and how dogs do the things they do....


I've travelled through Texas many times my friend and that was my whole point, the more different places and terrain  you hunt the more you learn, and if anybody has a big bad hog hunter mentality it might just be you, I might stand firm in my beliefs and share my thoughts on a particular matter but you'll never hear or see me call somebody out or tell them their full of sh!t when I don't understand what they're talking about and do so just because I simply don't know.....

[Slim9797]

I literally just asked for one of you to articulate better. What your calling a “track drifter” I just call a dog from the explanation so far. It’s bad ones good ones and better ones. I make it a point to own better ones. You say you only learn as much as you allow yourself to. I say it’s only as easy as you make it. I pay attention, I knit pick, I’ll call my dogs off of hogs because they’re not baying like they know how. I beg the question because the only time I’ve heard of drifting on a track was from a coon hunter and it wasn’t a compliment to the dog. Every hog in the world could die tomorrow and mine will still go on cows. I quit claiming to be a hog hunter almost 2 years ago because of guys that get wound up like you are right now. You told me baying and shooting in your part of the world wasn’t doable and then not a few weeks later shot 2 bad hogs in a bad spot in the same hunt at night none the less. I’m not saying a dog can’t do what y’all are saying, I’m saying it resulting in the outcome you are claiming seems far fetched at best by the very generic explanation that’s been given. It’s not a faster way to travel straight than going straight and straddling a track and pushing one are 2 different things

[Goose87]

I literally just asked for one of you to articulate better. What your calling a “track drifter” I just call a dog from the explanation so far. It’s bad ones good ones and better ones. I make it a point to own better ones. You say you only learn as much as you allow yourself to. I say it’s only as easy as you make it. I pay attention, I knit pick, I’ll call my dogs off of hogs because they’re not baying like they know how. I beg the question because the only time I’ve heard of drifting on a track was from a coon hunter and it wasn’t a compliment to the dog. Every hog in the world could die tomorrow and mine will still go on cows. I quit claiming to be a hog hunter almost 2 years ago because of guys that get wound up like you are right now. You told me baying and shooting in your part of the world wasn’t doable and then not a few weeks later shot 2 bad hogs in a bad spot in the same hunt at night none the less. I’m not saying a dog can’t do what y’all are saying, I’m saying it resulting in the outcome you are claiming seems far fetched at best by the very generic explanation that’s been given. It’s not a faster way to travel straight than going straight and straddling a track and pushing one are 2 different things

Somethings can't be explained, they have to be witnessed to understand, and to have a better judgement of what's going on you'd be ahead of the curve to go fox or cat hunting to understand how much faster and efficient a dog that can run the scent funnel with his head in the air than a dog that puts its nose to the ground and makes every step the game makes, I promise you , you of all people aren't getting me"wound up", especially  something being said on the Internet, but it does rub me the wrong way a little when someone who doesn't even know me and admits he doesn't know what we're talking about when we talk about a track drifter wants to jump in and call bullsh!t on something you say you know nothing about, to men who have been using that style of dogs for years, it's not something new, I don't have to far fetch or stretch anything, anytime I make a statement about me and mine I will gladly back it up, as far as baying and shooting hogs around here I'll still stand my ground on that, what happened to us was a fluke and one hog had  50lb dog hanging off his ear, and I'll probably never have that opportunity around here again, and again if you think it's as "easy" as you make then come on and come show us how easy it is, there's a difference in thinking one thing and actually knowing something, and actual experience trumps what you think or heard, maybe someone would have broken it down for you better if you wouldn't have said that those of us who actually know what a drifter is and own them and how efficient they are didn't know what we're talking about and that we're crazy if we think any different...

[Austesus]

I believe what these guys mean when they say that a drifter is faster, is that he’s taking a point A to point B line instead of the long track. Different hogs do different things in different areas. On my land you will never see a hog run a full straight track. Not one time. The will run to the river, or to the thickest stuff around, and then they’ll cut knots for several hours or keep zig zagging back and forth over the river. So the way I think about it is if you had a pig cut a big loop, and he’s out to the left, the dog that catches him on the wind and bee lines Left is going to be faster than the dog that goes 500yds forwards, and then tries to hang 600yds to the left on his track to get to him.


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[TShelly]

I have seen dogs that have trouble finding a hog and others that make it look easy...

Years ago I was surprised to see a big boar come busting through the brush and we could hear him coming...he crossed right by us...the wind was blowing crosswind to the hog from his left...the dogs were not running the track...they were running with their heads up using the wind currents to track the hog from the hogs right side and out about 30 ft or so...the wind had a decent speed so there was no doubt what the dogs were doing.....I have seen similar scenarios since then...

And somehow these dogs are going to beat the head up trackstars to the hog by hundreds of yards? I’m trying to wrap my head around this concept but with how y’all are explaining it, I’m not buying it. I will put my “track straddler dogs” against the dogs that try to run 10 yards beside the tracks every day all day and 2x on Sunday


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Slim you'll only learn in this life as much as your willing to and you seem to have it all figured out, that's good for you, I don't have to explain myself or my style of dogs to you, I've invited you over before so you can come see the Bologna for yourself, since you want to call BS on something you can't grasp and understand and by you not understanding or seeing it for yourself how can you tell another man he's full of it, you yourself have self admitted said you haven't been hunting to terribly long and I have to ask, have you traveled outside of a 4-5 hour radius of your home territory and put your dogs on the ground against other from that area or yours by themselves, how many different sets of hunters and dogs have you hunted with and against, not just in your area, in other states and parts of the state, different terrain and areas, you speak as if you've seen and done it all with your dogs, I could be wrong, but since you always want to turn everything into a pissing match 62524 Bill Ard Rd Angie La 70426, 985-570-7030 is my number whenever you get ready the door will be open, make sure to,bring the bread for all this Bologna I got going on over here.....

It’s not a pissing match guy. I do not care what you or somebody else feeds. Nor did I say you or your dogs were anything one way or the other. The big bad hog hunter mentality is shining through. You obviously haven’t been too far into Texas either because 4 or 5 hours can change scenery about 4-5 time. I’m currently 4 hours south of home with some dogs raised in the blackland Priaire post oaks of south central Texas hunting the caliche brush country and salt grass flats of the coastal bend and sections upon sections of grain fields but no my dogs don’t see much window time traveling


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Like I said before, to understand a track drifter you have to hunt with them, to understand different styles of dogs you have to hunt with them, it can be explained all day long but until you see it for yourself it's nothing more than speculation, kinda like making love to a woman, it can be explained to you in great detail but until you've done it yourself you really don't know, most hog hunters don't pay attention to a dogs track style or let alone know what track style means, very few folks break down and apply themselves enough to understand why things happen the way they do,especially as far as scenting and environmental conditions go and the role they play in your success, it's not complicated to understand once you know what your looking for and at, a good dog knows when to put his head in the air and drift a track, puts its nose to the ground and grub one out, and work the vegetation or whatever to pull scent off of it, for every action there is a reaction and a reason behind everything, it's up to us to try and understand things when they happen, another big factor is in order to truly understand dogs, especially hunting dogs then a man needs to hunt with different dogs for different game to get an idea as to why and how dogs do the things they do....


I've travelled through Texas many times my friend and that was my whole point, the more different places and terrain  you hunt the more you learn, and if anybody has a big bad hog hunter mentality it might just be you, I might stand firm in my beliefs and share my thoughts on a particular matter but you'll never hear or see me call somebody out or tell them their full of sh!t when I don't understand what they're talking about and do so just because I simply don't know.....

Yup. It’s a hard concept to understand if you don’t see it often or ever. People get stuck in their observations of dogs they hunt or what they have seen hunt and it’s harder to comprehend other styles. Just takes time and looking at lots of dogs running hogs.

Most of the dogs we hunt are very proficient at running the scent funnel or drifting. We see it start in younger dogs as well. I’ve always said I thought one reason we were able to stack numbers was the track speed that some of our dogs possess. They arnt faster straight line than other cur dogs but a lot are more effective at running a hog bc of their ability to drift. Like t-dog stated above.. in that hunt last weekend. They went and jumped that last boar hog, he came across the line flying. About a minute later here came the dogs about 15 yards off his track drifting it.

The easiest way to explain drifting in my eyes is the ability to run a track the most efficient way possible. Taking the shortest route to point a and b without leaving the track. This allows the dogs that drift to get significantly ahead of straddlers.

I’ve hunted from Mississippi to west texas and south texas and anywhere in between. 80% of the time we hunt pine plantation, briar and youpon thickets. It’s a lot harder to drift a track and see it happen in a 10k acre thicket. They still do it but at times the hog gets so far ahead they have to go back to tracks straddling bc the scent funnel had dissipated. Where you can really see it in our dogs is when we go west or north. The post oak savannah around Lexington area and anything up north around Buffalo is always a honey hole for us. The dogs can stretch their legs out and really run head up in this open country littered with wood lots and pastures.

Disclaimer: these are just my observations. I’m no dog man, just trying to carry on what all the old timers have done. I did stay in a Holliday Inn once, so there is that lol.


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[The Old Man]

 Slim, track drifting is not complicated to understand but it is very functional. Say a hog is running or has fed in a zig zag pattern into the wind, rather than follow the track, the track drifting dog goes straight ahead into the wind, or say a hog is running across the wind for quite a while than he makes a loop and goes back the way he came from, when he gets directly up wind from the track drifting dog he goes straight to the hog rather than make the loop the track does. Some are much better at it than others, those that aren't good at it will often get thrown out of a race due to a wrong turn. Most Cur Dogs aren't track straddlers anyway but some cut across better than others.
The Garmins make this easy to see, if you have a dog that is "cutting across or drifting" and he is getting bayed ahead of the other dogs that is most likely what is happening, on the other hand "especially with open trailing dogs" if the dog is cutting across and not getting bayed ahead of the other dogs he is just plain slow and cheating or piggy backing to stay in the race.

[The Old Man]

It is not uncommon at all for dogs on a hot track to run on the down wind side of the track if there is a breeze, you get into the difference in scent glands and the body scurf, but it does happen a lot whether you have noticed it or not.

[joshg223]

I want to see a hogs that just run in straight lines. Most all hogs circle. May be a 5 mile circle or 500 yard circle. Even if they run to a creek, most creeks have lots of bends. My Garmin always looks like a 2 yr old got ahold of a crayon. Anyways I’ll take the drifter 100x’s over the track straddler.  Here is kinda an example.


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[joshg223]

It is not uncommon at all for dogs on a hot track to run on the down wind side of the track if there is a breeze, you get into the difference in scent glands and the body scurf, but it does happen a lot whether you have noticed it or not.

Yes sir I think that’s the way most cur dogs do it.  The scent cone is wide on the downwind side of the track. Where the dander  and such is falling off the game your  running .


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[Slim9797]

I want to see a hogs that just run in straight lines. Most all hogs circle. May be a 5 mile circle or 500 yard circle. Even if they run to a creek, most creeks have lots of bends. My Garmin always looks like a 2 yr old got ahold of a crayon. Anyways I’ll take the drifter 100x’s over the track straddler.  Here is kinda an example.


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This right here. The first picture, that orange line is what the old coon hunters I know call drifting on a track and it is not a good term. No a dog should not drop his head and make a circle every where the hog stuck his nose in the dirt and meandered around. Find the short end and drive it up his rear. As for straight line runners we got them. Generally hogs seem to have a place the originate from, more often it’s some over grown place or the one place in the area the owner won’t let you hog hunt. The hogs will drift out a good ways and feed and lay for a few days at a time if you stick a dog on him he is going to head straight for home. Yes there’s going to be a bend or 2 hear or there due to either topography or fencing. Here is a place we have hunted hard for going on 5 years. Since the very beginning with number 2 eaters to what I have no which are far and away better than what a lot of boys are using in my opinion. The hogs have always done the same. 1 of 2 ways depending on where you caught them laid. And they always run to the same set of woods because it’s over growed and you can’t get in there to them. That is their home. Short arrows come from common beds and to which main path they will use. You might as well put a county road in because these hogs are running one of those damn near to perfection every time. the white is dictated by netwire fencing and the hogs travel through the 2 bad thickets on the way back home. The blue is walker branch which is a small wet weather creek. Not much room for doing anything else with these tracks other than taking them for what they are. We used to hunt the place they run to as well. They never went back south. They always go due north.


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