Lost Bulldog history from Galveston TX…

[HuntingHeritage]

Galveston Tribune September 1 1908
Page 6 Classified Advertising section

“Stud Dogs-PITBULL TERRIERS
JIP a pure white dog, weight in condition 42 pounds, winner of three battles one lasting 2 hours and five minutes, 1 hour & 37 minutes and the last one one hour and 52 minutes.
Has as good pedigree as any dog in America, is a fine looker!
SEAWALL ROWDY pure white dog, 60 pounds, son of the best catchweight dog ever imported to this country.
A grand pedigree is his, best looking dog to ever walk this island!
Have a number of extra fine pups for sale.
Also a lot of pitgame stags and pullets that are crossed and recrossed, containing the blood of the best fighting strains that ever carried steel to a pit!
Anyone interested in above stock would do well to look them over or address
W.J. Niemeyer Chutes park Galveston


Interesting is that the only place I could find any mention of Mr.Niemeyer’s dogs is in a 1910 AKC stud book listing for BullTerriers.

ROWDY III AKC # 139,320

https://www.google.com/books/edition/American_Kennel_Club_Stud_Book_Register/fn8uAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=w+j+niemeyer+galveston+seawall+rowdy&pg=RA3-PA191&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=w%20j%20niemeyer%20galveston%20seawall%20rowdy&f=false

Here is a picture of British Demon sire of Seawall Rowdy, he died in a match but I can’t find any many details on him or any of his other progeny.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gallerypictures/152136.jpg

I have have learned a lot from the bulldog men on here and just thought this might be interesting to those who “fancy” the breed and it’s history.


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[t-dog]

That’s pretty neat right there


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[HuntingHeritage]

  Thanks T-dog, I was actually digging around for stuff about Jack Johnson when I came across this.

Galveston turn of the century must have been something.

[t-dog]

My dad had a lot of family in Galveston at time and lived there himself until he was in about the 6th or 7th grade I think. His Uncle owned the Seaview Restaurant down on the sea wall. He tells me stories now and then about it. He said it was gang oriented back then even. He told me he remembers a time that a group of older kids were chasing him home from school. His dad was standing out on the front steps and seen it. He said about the time he got to the steps himself, his dad stepped inside the house and locked the door on him so he had no choice but to fight. LOL


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[warrent423]

Dog fighting has and always will be for white trash and n#ggers   Has no business even being mentioned on a "working dog" forum. This is my opinion, of course.

[HuntingHeritage]

Dog fighting has and always will be for white trash and n#ggers

 I don’t condone dogfighting but I was called white trash as a kid by people who seem to live to hate for no damn good reason.


 This ad was from a newspaper that Is over a hundred years old, I never promoted dog fighting in any way when writing about it.

 I just found it interesting that a Pitbull found its way into the AKC studbooks.

 The American Pitbull terrier has had its genetics added to who knows how many “working dog” breeds, so it’s history is of interest to me, just my opinion.

There is a thing known as  “Historical Context” it doesn’t mean you want to bring back the past.

Ironic is that I found that ad whole reading about the trouble Jack Johnson went through having a white woman for a wife,
I am sure you have an enlightened opinion on that as well…..

As for your “opinion” well as you can see I was raised right so I would not give a squirt of piss for what someone like you thinks about dogs or anything else for that matter.

 So I will end this with a quote from the first black American heavyweight champion, born and raised to. Galveston Texas….

“As I grew up, the white boys were my friends and my pals. I ate with them, played with them and slept at their homes. Their mothers gave me cookies, and I ate at their tables. No one ever taught me that white men were superior to me." J.J.






 


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[WayOutWest]

Well put Hunting Heritage, well put.

[Goose87]

Dog fighting has and always will be for white trash and n#ggers   Has no business even being mentioned on a "working dog" forum. This is my opinion, of course.

And you know what they say about opinions, they're like as$holes and elbows, everybody's got them, your quick judgement and use of derogatory terms when referring to different ethnicities and cultures of individual, says a lot about your character and morals, but yet you label other as trash, the hypocrisy in itself should be humbling, but then again it's to be expected from some folks, they just can't help themselves and some just don't know any better, and furthermore your mentioning of a "working dog" and game dogs having no business even being mentioned in the same place again just goes to show everyone your ineptitude to actually know, understand, and comprehend the history and origins behind just about every breed and discipline of working dogs, so blinded by your own sub conscience needs to feel as if in some way your higher than others on the totem pole of life that you have the right to look down on others for whatever reason you tell yourself, yes there's good and bad individuals in every aspect of life that easily put a stigma on others, and those who believe such stigmas are of the weak minded sheeple, before you feel the need to feel higher than another and look down on someone as if you're in someway better than them how about stopping and ask yourself just who the F are you and what have you done for the betterment of society and mankind as whole, how have you contributed and what kind of impact do you make on the roads of life we all travel, I truly feel sympathy for individuals with mindsets such as yours who can never see the bigger picture of life, not putting down on or trash talking any type of sport where there's different levels and forms violence, and not condemning any culture or heritage or way of life, but I  will say this, you can't force or make a dog become great at anything it doesn't want to naturally do against its own free will, whether it be in the box or the bushes, however I can't recall any time at all or any documentation throughout history of the sport of rodeo that there's ever been a breed of cattle developed or anyone particular individual calf that naturally wanted to have a rope attached to an 1100 lb horse thrown around their neck while running full speed and come to sudden stop jerked off their feet or thrown to the ground and have their feet restrained by a piece of rope, all because an individual wanted to show case their own individual skill at something, so next time you feel the need to compare apples and oranges how about dumping out the whole fruit basket, nuts and all, but then again that might be a little to advanced for you....

[Austesus]

You couldn’t have spoken that better, Goose.


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[Goose87]

You couldn’t have spoken that better, Goose.


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I would say thanks for the compliment, but in actuality it saddens my soul to have to respond to statements like that from folks that are so low that even mosquitos look down on them , and there's nothing complimentary about that, I try my hardest to only conjure positivity in everything I do, from my own personal thoughts all the way to what and why and with what intent in which I do something and don't dwell on or give negativity of any kind any of my energy or attention, in this day and time and seeing what humanity is coming to also often takes a lot of prayer for patience , but I find it almost impossible to restrain myself from responding to BS such as that, the ones who want to point out and talk about the twig in someone else eye but can't see the stick poking out of their own and especially from a guy like Mr. Wan A.B. Throwbach here, who can only regurgitate the opinions of others,  Austesus you will learn in life that some folks just don't have the capability to be their own leaders and can only follow the lead of the ones they idolize....

[Semmes]

There is a bad apple in every bunch...

They have been baked into this great American apple pie as well.

Sometimes they can be caught by the sorter and discarded before the pie is tainted.

Warrent, your ‘worm’ is showing letting everyone see your core has been hollowed out and is rotten...

[Judge peel]

The thing about it is most every cur line has some bull dog in them at some point as do many other breeds. I would say bulldogs as a whole are the most capable breed there is. And that came from hundreds of yrs of battle. Everyone has the right in America to have there own thoughts. But a narrow mind brings narrow opinions


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[Semmes]

Hunting heritage,
I knew I’d seen some historical pics of jack Johnson posted a couple weeks ago on a channel I follow.
 
I hope the link works...

One of him and his wife and their white pitbull as well.

https://youtube.com/user/RicardoGrice

[Semmes]

When you get to the page click the ‘community’ tag and scroll down to two weeks ago and there are two posts in a row with about ten photos of jack johnson

[HuntingHeritage]

When you get to the page click the ‘community’ tag and scroll down to two weeks ago and there are two posts in a row with about ten photos of jack johnson

Thanks Semmes I am a bit of a boxing historian, especially the olde time stuff.
I just bought a copy of “Jack Johnson is a dandy” and I even have a digital copy of Jack Dempsey’s book.

 


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[Judge peel]

If you like boxing history look into Willie pep


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[HuntingHeritage]

The thing about it is most every cur line has some bull dog in them at some point as do many other breeds. I would say bulldogs as a whole are the most capable breed there is. And that came from hundreds of yrs of battle. Everyone has the right in America to have there own thoughts. But a narrow mind brings narrow opinions


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Judge that is what I find so interesting about these dogs, especially back when the game dog world was at its peak, there were many outstanding Bulldogs outside the pit.

 Before Lucenay’s Pete the pup the first Dog Star on the big screen was silent film actor Fatty Arbuckle’s “Jake the dog”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iz9ELYR7cg



 A Pitbull accompanied the first men to cross America by automobile, his dog-goggles are in the Smithsonian.

 People from Jack Johnson to Hellen Keller owned pitbulls and everyone in between.

But that’s all common knowledge,
I’m more interested in the “forgotten” history.


“Dam-it the dog” was the unofficial mascot of Hardin-Simmons University in Abiline from  1916-1920.

 



 He wandered on to the campus and as legend goes, started acting like he owned the place.

In the days before Air Conditioning classrooms kept their doors open and Dam-it would roam the campus coming and go as he pleases.

 He was beloved by the students and staff, upon his passing he was buried on campus grounds and a headstone was erected that reads….

“Dam-it he is dead”


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[HuntingHeritage]

If you like boxing history look into Willie pep


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Willie Pep, Will-o’- Wisp, one of the early defensive masters, he was a great one.

It is said Willie Pep once won a round without throwing a punch….

Big fan of the old time fighters, they were cut from a different cloth!


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[Hollowpoint]

[Semmes]

The thing about it is most every cur line has some bull dog in them at some point as do many other breeds. I would say bulldogs as a whole are the most capable breed there is. And that came from hundreds of yrs of battle. Everyone has the right in America to have there own thoughts. But a narrow mind brings narrow opinions


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I second this post Peel...
While I lean right on economics, I lean left in the social realm. I guess that makes me a libertarian on politics. But this is America and everyone has the freedom here to think and voice their opinions. So I support that and I have the right to voice my own.
That’s what makes this the greatest country in the world.
I take notes and follow both sides equally. The real voices are being squashed by the mainstream media and positions on both sides. They play to the extremes. They are the reason this country is tearing apart and more divided now that when we grew up...

Politics is tearing this country apart. I hate to see it when most folks could and do get along on a personal level just trying to make ends meet.

I called out warrent but yes he is welcome to his own views in this country.

You have always been a sane voice on here. Much respect..,